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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back i'm excited tonight so

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excited tonight because we're going to

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be continuing our enduring mystery

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series uh when we did the enduring

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mystery uh first episode about the

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mothman i had so many people reach out

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to me and say you gotta talk to this

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author lon strickler and i looked into

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his work and saw that he is probably one

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of the world's leading experts on the

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most recent sightings of mothman uh

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centered around chicago most recently

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if you thought that the mystery of the

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mothman began and end it begins and ends

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with point pleasant you would be very

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mistaken because in fact there are some

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amazing recent sightings and the man

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who's covered that investigated that

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more than any other person is our guest

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tonight author researcher uh and 40 and

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researcher lon strickler welcome to the

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show mr strickler pleasure to have you

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here oh thanks for having me stephen

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yeah so you uh

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you have been

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researching this sort of strange topics

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for decades now right i think

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40 years

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together yeah

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what an amazing journey it must have

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been so what what got you to this recent

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uh sightings with the with the mothman

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sightings in chicago

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well i i've always been interested in

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the flying humanoid phenomena

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and of course i

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like most people knew about the point

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pleasant mothman and um

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i had an encounter here in pennsylvania

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back in 1988

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of something very similar to what people

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are describing in and around chicago

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the sightings started to occur or

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started being reported because they had

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been going on for quite a while

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uh there were three sightings in 2011 in

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and myself and emmanuel navarette who

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runs the ufo clearinghouse site

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we started looking into these these

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three reports that came in to move on

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and uh you know it was just those three

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singular reports during the late summer

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of 2011 and as we continued on

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uh there wasn't a whole lot going on

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but chicago has a lot of weird stuff

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goes on anyway

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yeah absolutely

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then in the early spring of 2017

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that was reported to mufon

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being with huge wings

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and the person who reported this was a

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actual she was an attorney

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and she was walking her dog in oz park

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this thing turned around and had huge

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red eyes bright red eyes

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jettisoned into the air

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that they have some type of ability to

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to propel themselves without wings

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may not be what is

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making them fly they must have the

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ability to fly n wings right they just

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guiding you know when they're they're

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this thing uh it took off and uh it

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reached its apex and i

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being blood curdling from this thing

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brakes on the train

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something very similar to that

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majority of the sightings

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crazy stories they're just right there

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right in front of people right it's not

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this thing it's mostly middle of the day

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maybe dusk or something like that

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in the western cargo area where there's

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there have been five or six sightings

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that have been either in the india

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cemetery or within a hundred yards as a

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we do believe that there's

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there's something associated with that

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cemetery either maybe a portal or

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something opening up

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the time it's their fleeting settings

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been enjoying it the whole time but it's

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of us working on it at the time

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and uh that many say there's that many

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sightings in the chicago area well we've

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had we've been look we early on we

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looked into them very intently just to

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pennsylvania yeah near gettysburg but i

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think so i'm not out there but i have

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people out there

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and uh i have i have a good team very

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good team and we've stuck together and

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it's kind of evolved over the years

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and uh but that's not the only thing we

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all manner of of crazy things so that

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sightings are taking place these more

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modern sightings are taking place in the

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doesn't that make them maybe better for

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evidentiary support

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people say well you know there's there's

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owls everywhere or you know cranes it

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is isn't isn't the sightings in chicago

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make it easier to rule out

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misidentification of of

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animals as as maybe the cause of some of

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the one thing about this this

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group of sightings and you pointed it

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very unusual

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kojak or what his name was that used to

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is that when the witnesses contact us

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they don't embellish on their their

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they tell us what they saw

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get them to embellish and they won't do

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just to see how truthful than forthright

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something you don't run into encrypted

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investigations a lot you always get

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somebody that's trying to jack onto the

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story and make it more than that

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you glob onto it make it more than it is

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at this time at this current time

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approximately 140 sightings

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wow within a 250 mile radius of chicago

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that we believe are viable sightings

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wow and do you get a sense of of

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any any sense of the purpose of this

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thing because this is one thing i've

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always wondered about people have

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you know people have said it's a

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harbinger of doom and things like that

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because the point pleasant and the

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bridge collapse and people claim that

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they saw

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the mothman before fukushima and and in

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russia when that when that

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meltdown happened

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some kind of harbinger of dune

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purpose what is it doing there i i will

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pleasant when it first started

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i tried to dispel a lot of that but i

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was literally having people calling me

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24 7 when this started

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wondering what was going to happen in

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chicago as it believing it was a

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harbinger because they do believe the

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story of the

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the silver bridge collapse being a

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harbinger and you know uh you know the

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result of a the sighting of the malt

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mothman

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i don't believe in that i i believe it

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was um you know look you got a small

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town where 46 people died before

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christmas on a bridge

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and people look for some some semblance

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of 40s explanations yeah

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and i don't think it is now

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the only the only disaster

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that i know of that has been documented

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where there were previous sightings to

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the disaster itself of some type of wing

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bean was that uh was it chernobyl

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and uh there was a black they called it

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the black bird of chernobyl

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and this thing yeah i read i've read

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about this a lot yeah this thing was

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thing was seen flying over the reactor

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several days before the actual meltdown

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and uh

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that that's been documented but as far

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as like fukushima the bridge collapse in

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minneapolis and other places it's

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usually

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after the fact where people say oh yeah

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i saw this yeah

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connecting the dots maybe right yeah so

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uh yeah i i don't necessarily buy into

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the harbinger theory the port and the

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doom theory

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but uh who knows i mean but in chicago i

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mean there's enough death and

329
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destruction in chicago i don't think

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there's

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yeah yeah that can be tied into these

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sightings yeah that's like the highest

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murder rate in the country i think i

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mean i'm from philadelphia i'm used to

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high murder rape but chicago is even

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crazier right and thank you sid [\h__\h]

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for kindness your generosity thank you

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i lived near baltimore for 40 years so

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yeah i know

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it's uh

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yeah

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and i thought i was going to hate the

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suburbs but so far i love it it's quiet

344
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it's peaceful i got respectful neighbors

345
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for the first time in my entire life

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you know

347
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yeah i moved back to the whole other

348
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world i moved back to the place where i

349
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grew up at so uh yeah so it was it's

350
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kind of a change yeah sometimes home

351
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draws you back home but i don't think

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i'll ever be at home in philadelphia

353
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again i got a taste of i got a taste of

354
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that nice suburban life that i thought i

355
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didn't want and i just said i'm good

356
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here you know let the crackheads have

357
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philly i'm good no i get it you know

358
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yeah we i think what did it for me lon

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is that somebody stole my wife's flower

360
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pots off the porch with the flowers in

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them

362
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and then they were selling the flower

363
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pots a few blocks away is that right

364
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yeah and i was just like you've got to

365
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be kidding me you know like this it's

366
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time to move

367
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so what you've been studying this thing

368
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for a long time and one of the things

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that always fascinated me is

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that

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because it's such an amazing mystery of

372
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what is this winged humanoid creature

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that people keep seeing what is it the

374
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so you know people have said it's

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interdimensional it's an angel it's a

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devil it's an alien it's just a cryptid

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creature that we don't know about maybe

378
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another species

379
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it's split off of humanity and there's

380
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so many explanations

381
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you've been studying this thing for a

382
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long time do you have a sense of what

383
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this thing is is it alien is it

384
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a demon an angel of what

385
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interdimensional

386
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what what do you think i i

387
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interdimensional

388
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and the reason i say that is uh because

389
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of some of the evidence that we have

390
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gotten in more recently

391
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where some of our team members have been

392
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having

393
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physical

394
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visual

395
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and intuitive connection with some of

396
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these beings which has been

397
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,400
remarkable

398
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and the interesting thing is that

399
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they're getting separate

400
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um

401
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contact

402
00:18:01,110 --> 00:18:00,080
away from the other the other folks on

403
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:01,120
the team

404
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:04,799
and they're coming up at the same thing

405
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,919
uh from what we're being told and look

406
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,320
it it's baby steps i mean this is it's

407
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very cursory

408
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:13,760
um

409
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:17,840
these beings are on a linear dimension

410
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as opposed to our earth plane but

411
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,760
they're able to come in and out at

412
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certain locations that's why i think

413
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this cemetery is very important

414
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so maybe some kind of a nexus point for

415
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some kind of a gate between the two

416
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worlds it's it seems that way now so

417
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there's a mothman there may be a

418
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dimension where these mothmen are the

419
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are the primary intelligence right well

420
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this is what we're getting that these

421
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these

422
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what they call themselves the unseen

423
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ones are what they call they say they're

424
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ultra terrestrial that's what the term

425
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they like to use they don't like

426
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extraterrestrial alien or any they call

427
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themselves ultra terrestrials

428
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and

429
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from what we've gathered from what

430
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:02,080
they're saying to my team

431
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,200
is that

432
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:05,360
many of the cryptids

433
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,480
that we see on our earth plane

434
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,799
come from this dimension and i'm talking

435
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:12,559
about bigfoot

436
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,320
upright canines other beings unexplained

437
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,840
beings

438
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:20,160
reside on this dimension and maybe

439
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,160
others as well but on this one that'd be

440
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,480
a strange dimension to go visit you got

441
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,120
dog men and bigfoot and winged creatures

442
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,720
and yeah

443
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,919
you know

444
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,679
do all these beings have the same

445
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:33,840
abilities to move in and out of uh

446
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,280
gateways portals apparently so but

447
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:38,960
you know

448
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:40,880
if you think about it with all the

449
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,240
sightings of bigfoot and other beings

450
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,799
we've never gotten a body we have very

451
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,720
little physical evidence it's all been

452
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,200
scant evidence

453
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,440
how else do we explain

454
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,919
why these beings

455
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,240
you know are seeing but never any

456
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,480
evidence or a body or anything else let

457
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,640
alone taking pictures i mean and most of

458
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,480
the pictures are

459
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,559
hard to see anyway yeah they're terrible

460
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,559
something yeah i mean well just like

461
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:10,000
with this what's been going on in

462
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,440
chicago we

463
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:13,280
we just have not been able to get

464
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,559
photographs

465
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,159
um

466
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,240
we've gotten a few that

467
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:20,400
really don't show much

468
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,200
uh

469
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,000
there have been now at o'hara and more

470
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,799
recently we had an encounter where three

471
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:28,640
cargo workers

472
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,720
at uh american airlines one evening saw

473
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,520
three of these beings near them

474
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,440
took their phones out

475
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:39,440
took video

476
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:43,919
but tsa and the management security

477
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,120
absconded the video

478
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,679
and warned them that they

479
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,520
they cannot

480
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,039
at the risk of losing their jobs

481
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:55,120
disclose any of this though

482
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,240
there was one brave soul that came out

483
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,320
well so the air so the airline told

484
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:02,400
people they weren't awesome yeah

485
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,919
they're i tell you the security on this

486
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,159
from the very beginning has been getting

487
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,760
tighter and tighter

488
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,559
uh

489
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,840
why

490
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,240
you know i guess they don't i guess it

491
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,120
has to do with passengers

492
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,720
worrying about one of these things

493
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,640
getting sucked up into one of the plane

494
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:22,240
engine i don't know i mean they're you

495
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,039
know

496
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,919
behind it

497
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:27,520
but

498
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:30,799
i know there are a lot of sightings i do

499
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,120
have an informant who works

500
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,840
as a supervisor one of the airlines

501
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,840
who has told me

502
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,320
that their people

503
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,400
have been reporting this phenomena for

504
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:44,400
two years straight

505
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:45,200
and

506
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,600
the rumors at the airport are rampant

507
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,200
you know we're only we're only

508
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,720
scratching the surface with this

509
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,559
phenomena

510
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,600
and uh very interesting yeah i i you

511
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,120
know i wanted to get back tell you why

512
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,039
they're doing it but they're doing it i

513
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,280
i wanted to get back to so so you're

514
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,200
saying that you have team members that

515
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,120
are somehow able to communicate with

516
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:08,799
some of these beings would they be like

517
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,320
some kind of psychic or something or

518
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,440
the two ladies i have working with me

519
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,799
are both

520
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,240
psychics

521
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,840
uh they're very intuitive they're

522
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,280
they're very

523
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,200
trustworthy

524
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,559
uh but they're talented they're gifted

525
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:28,320
uh

526
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,440
have them on the team but they i trust

527
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,640
them

528
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,880
and they have had

529
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,360
some physical some visual and some

530
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,400
intuitive contact with these beings

531
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,280
i have another individual who's been on

532
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,240
the team for a while now who lives in

533
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,600
chicago

534
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,000
who had a physical encounter with one of

535
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,039
these beings in the cemetery

536
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:56,799
where it left

537
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,840
a stone for him

538
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,480
and and told us

539
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,280
one of my uh one of the psychics on our

540
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,400
team what to look for and it was there

541
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,360
he sat on a bench at the cemetery and

542
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:14,000
this thing was behind him

543
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:15,600
we he told

544
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,640
us

545
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:19,280
to put for our team member to put their

546
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:20,840
hand out

547
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,559
and this thing touched his hand

548
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,080
oh that's he was

549
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:27,520
freaked

550
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,679
to us for two days

551
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,200
wow yeah

552
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,559
it really and

553
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,400
he i think he's still having trouble

554
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:37,919
dealing with it

555
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,880
but he does he does still have contact

556
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,480
with his being

557
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,279
that's so crazy so so he's got some yeah

558
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,960
i can imagine that could shake you up

559
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,640
when you have this realization that

560
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,159
you've just been touched by something

561
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,880
from another world perhaps right yeah

562
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,400
it's um

563
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,480
you know like i said before this is very

564
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,919
preliminary

565
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,559
we're trying to gain trust

566
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:03,120
from what they tell us they have a lot

567
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,039
of mistrust of humans especially males

568
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,000
they they are a matriarch arctic a

569
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:11,760
matriarchy to

570
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,200
society where females of their species

571
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,960
run the show

572
00:24:21,149 --> 00:24:18,799
um

573
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,159
but there's something about males either

574
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:23,200
testosterone or

575
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,080
just

576
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,480
whatever it is about males they don't

577
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,200
trust and

578
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,960
my impression is

579
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,840
that

580
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,480
they were probably some of the earliest

581
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,240
deities

582
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,279
uh on this planet or with you know with

583
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,440
association with humans

584
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,120
uh they've been around i see a lot of

585
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,080
examples of winged gods yeah in the

586
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,559
sumerian tablets and things like that

587
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,200
there were like a being with a bird's

588
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,760
head and the body of a man yeah there's

589
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,159
definitely historical historical things

590
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,679
that would seem to indicate that may be

591
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,880
the case

592
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,679
right

593
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,440
yeah uh

594
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,279
you know we start to see more and mores

595
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,360
as we start understanding that some of

596
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,120
these earlier

597
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,520
civilizations uh you know

598
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,000
you say the sumerians the

599
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,080
the fertile crescent and you know with

600
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:17,120
uh with the the nile valley and such

601
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,320
uh

602
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,480
where their religious their beliefs and

603
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,400
stuff were or you know

604
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,960
incorporate humanoids and and animals

605
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,559
jumeirahs or whatever you want to call

606
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,279
them

607
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:29,840
so uh yeah that you know i believe

608
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,950
interesting and can you tell me the

609
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,200
people that have these sightings do they

610
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,240
experience uh you know hearing voices

611
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,880
later or get strange phone calls is

612
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:44,799
there other phenomenon related with the

613
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,080
sighting because i've read in some cases

614
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,679
people start having

615
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,360
after a sighting of this thing they

616
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:53,679
start having some kind of weird

617
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,440
you know experiences that may be related

618
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,760
yeah occasionally phone calls

619
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,159
um someone's bizarre

620
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,480
you got them on youtube

621
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,120
that they don't understand

622
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,039
you know yeah if you if you read the

623
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,279
mothman prophecies a lot of that was

624
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,880
interjected now i don't know how much of

625
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,799
that was true of course you know john

626
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:15,760
keel

627
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,159
he was a journalist so he he kind of

628
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,720
embellished a few things in the mothman

629
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,600
prophecies but no quite frankly i i

630
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:25,279
think that was a lot of what happened

631
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,240
there

632
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,880
uh people who had had these encounters

633
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,559
did have other

634
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,080
um

635
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,480
activity happen beyond the sightings

636
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:35,919
themselves

637
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,440
uh i i come across a lot of people who

638
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,720
have human uh wing humanoid encounters

639
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,960
even even in the same area around point

640
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,960
blank mason county of the conewa river

641
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,919
and such

642
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,080
uh you still have sightings

643
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,880
and uh a lot of these people have other

644
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:54,480
phenomena

645
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,990
wow interesting

646
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,679
and

647
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,000
these these you're saying there's a like

648
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:06,480
a 150 sightings

649
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,440
yeah

650
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,919
is it isn't is the local media covering

651
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,400
any of this or is there just ignoring it

652
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,960
well they did it first um

653
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,559
you know and of course it being the

654
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,840
media

655
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
uh

656
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,799
they didn't get a lot of fun out of it

657
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,679
at first they you know it kind of

658
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,399
it kind of got the uh

659
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,399
the entrepreneur

660
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,799
spirit going around chicago with people

661
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,880
selling t-shirts and stickers little

662
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,200
chicago mothman you know i never called

663
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,520
it the chicago mothman

664
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,440
uh i never associated it with the

665
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,440
mothman because quite frankly it doesn't

666
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:43,360
look like what happened at point

667
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,320
pleasant

668
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,480
i was actually calling it the chicago

669
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,720
phantom but of course the media started

670
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,640
calling it the mothman

671
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:53,279
uh they got to sell papers and you know

672
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,080
so

673
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:56,880
to to alleviate the confusion i went

674
00:28:01,269 --> 00:28:00,320
along with the mothman moniker there but

675
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:01,279
it

676
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,559
i i i don't believe there's too much

677
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,000
in connection with the mothman though

678
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,760
they may very well come from the same

679
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,520
location

680
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,559
i but they're uh their descriptions are

681
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,559
much different than what the mothman was

682
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,279
described as

683
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,039
oh do you think it's a separate it's a

684
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,840
separate entity or is it oh i do yeah i

685
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,559
do

686
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,039
the for the most part the sightings in

687
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:28,640
chicago uh now we have had sightings

688
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:31,760
where people describe them as al men or

689
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,039
some type of insectoid like a mothman

690
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,120
we've had a few of those but for the

691
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,600
most part the sightings have been a the

692
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,080
five to six foot

693
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,559
emaciated humanoid

694
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:46,240
dark in color

695
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,600
sometimes shiny looking wet

696
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,399
with legs small feet

697
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,679
and

698
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,200
wings

699
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,640
from anywhere 10 to 15 foot in full

700
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,760
width

701
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,000
that had never membrane wings that

702
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,120
looked like that of a bat or gargoyle

703
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:08,000
the head is usually very thin with no

704
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,360
neck

705
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,080
and many times they had the red eyes but

706
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,760
not all the time but many times it was

707
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,520
the red eyes

708
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,520
and uh

709
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,520
very we've had a few people seen these

710
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,520
things flap their wings to lift off but

711
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,279
a lot of times

712
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:25,360
it just doesn't happen like that i mean

713
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,120
this thing just literally takes off

714
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,559
wow

715
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,600
yeah

716
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,440
and like i said when i had my encounter

717
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,720
in 1988 it was very similar to that

718
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,279
and um

719
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,600
you know i in in the same area where i

720
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,720
had my encounter along the same creek

721
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,640
uh there have been five other sightings

722
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,440
since that time so um

723
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,039
is it still there i don't know but

724
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,679
people have had separate sightings of it

725
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:55,760
yeah and b baker brings an excellent

726
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,559
point

727
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,279
there's a theory that mothman uh what he

728
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,960
does is feed off of negative emotional

729
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,279
energy lots of that in chicago over 4

730
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,279
000 people killed every year do you get

731
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,760
a sense that they do feed off of some

732
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,480
something or maybe that's why they're

733
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,159
being seen or they're

734
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,320
feeding off of negative energies if

735
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,559
they're like other spiritual beings

736
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,080
possibly

737
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,520
um

738
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,600
you know malevolence

739
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,320
beings malevolent energies do have a

740
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,120
tendency to feed off dysfunction

741
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:30,960
and violence and death and such but

742
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,559
as far as these beings go

743
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,679
and since they are flesh and blood

744
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,520
i i don't know if they have that ability

745
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,520
though if they did it wouldn't surprise

746
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:43,440
me

747
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,240
uh

748
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,760
you know some of the things we have seen

749
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,640
so far are pretty earth-shaking and you

750
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,440
know

751
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:51,919
just hard to explain

752
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,880
yeah has there been any reports of of of

753
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,159
that what

754
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,399
or do you have a sense of maybe

755
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,279
so these things are they ever shown like

756
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,760
killing an animal and eating it or or

757
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,320
anything like that or were they more of

758
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,240
like like you said an interdimensional

759
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,919
being because i'm a little confused

760
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,760
people are saying a physical thing

761
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,399
they're seeing a physical what looks

762
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:16,640
like a physical body and all of that

763
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:20,720
stuff right i yeah and um

764
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,840
there hasn't been any indication that

765
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:26,000
they're an ethereal being or something

766
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,960
that's

767
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,919
uh

768
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,799
you know they can't they are

769
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,200
supernatural they are ultra-terrestrials

770
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,440
but they do

771
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,080
they are flesh and blood

772
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,799
as far as feeding on animals we haven't

773
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,480
seen that and that's something we've

774
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,519
looked into as far as pet predation

775
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,159
or small animal predation in parks and

776
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,720
around neighborhoods and that just has

777
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,840
not been reported

778
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,760
yeah interesting so we don't really know

779
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,200
if they're physical creatures that

780
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,720
actually need to eat or anything like

781
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,480
that for all we know there's some sort

782
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,519
of uh like you said ultra dimensional or

783
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:04,240
ultra terrestrial yeah

784
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,120
yeah

785
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,600
interesting and so do you have a sense

786
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,440
from these people like how it's affected

787
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,320
their lives these sightings are they

788
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,880
they experiencing long-term sort of

789
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,159
psychological

790
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,000
damage or problems from seeing this

791
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,840
thing or they're just kind of like i saw

792
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,679
something crazy and yeah and they move

793
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,120
on with their lives

794
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,120
i i think the i think the majority of

795
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,480
people

796
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,559
take it for what it is and don't let it

797
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,960
bother them but there are people

798
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,919
who have had some emotional issues

799
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,440
because of it

800
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,159
uh we had at least one individual who

801
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,720
suffered some type of blindness after it

802
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,279
happened um

803
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,000
which was also diagnosed the doctor

804
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,840
didn't really understand what was going

805
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,760
on with this the guy

806
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,559
uh i saw the medical reports it was you

807
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,399
know it went away i mean he got his

808
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,279
sight back but it was a temporary thing

809
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,799
um

810
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,679
when people have approached these things

811
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,840
like when they're standing

812
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:06,799
uh the description we get is of like

813
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,720
dread but they also become very weak

814
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,880
need i mean in fact some people have

815
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,640
literally dropped to the ground

816
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,559
when they get close to it

817
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,880
uh does this being have some type of

818
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:21,600
infrasound or some type of abilities to

819
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,279
do that i think so but uh

820
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,279
they do try to get away from it as fast

821
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:28,880
as they can

822
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,840
and uh they do recover fairly quickly

823
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,799
but we've had also had people that had

824
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,360
were very distressed from it we had one

825
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,519
individual who had to catch a plane the

826
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,000
next day and just could not do it uh

827
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,000
they had to be grounded for about three

828
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,760
days until they were able to get on a

829
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,799
plane

830
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,440
so um yeah there are some physical

831
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,679
manifestations as a result of these

832
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,840
sightings and encounters

833
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:55,600
uh people have been close to these

834
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,880
things at some point so um

835
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,120
yeah i mean that it does cause some type

836
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:03,200
of malady at some point

837
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,320
you know and you mentioned these

838
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,320
psychics that you have on your team do

839
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,240
they have a sense of what why are they

840
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,240
here what are they doing here what is

841
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,240
their purpose here

842
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,480
you know i'm gonna thank you stephanie

843
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:17,119
yeah i'm an intuitive and uh i i can't

844
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,079
really

845
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:19,280
grasp it

846
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,639
myself

847
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,399
is it because i'm a male i don't know

848
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,230
very

849
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,320
from what i have gathered from my my

850
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,520
team

851
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,639
is that they're trying to incorporate

852
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,879
themselves

853
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,240
into

854
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,520
humans

855
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,599
lives once again

856
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,639
gradually now why they do that that's

857
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,839
not known do they have an agenda well

858
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:47,760
seems like everything has an agenda at

859
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,200
some point but i just don't know why

860
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,440
are we cautious about this contact

861
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,679
absolutely we're not jumping in ahead

862
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,320
first we're very cautious about it

863
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,280
uh just like anything else

864
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:03,359
but this is something that we're going

865
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:04,480
to

866
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,480
answers you know something that's that's

867
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:14,400
that's going to give us an idea why this

868
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,000
is going on well thank you jesse singer

869
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,440
for kind and generous support of the

870
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,880
show we appreciate it we're a viewer

871
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,960
supported show the best way to support

872
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,640
us is to throw money at us right mr

873
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:26,480
strickler everybody absolutely

874
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,720
everybody needs some of that so you you

875
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,480
are the person that investigated all

876
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,720
these chicago reports

877
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,880
are they ongoing today are you still

878
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:37,839
getting

879
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,320
that are seeing this thing we had an

880
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,520
encounter about two and a half weeks ago

881
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,200
wow can you tell us a little more about

882
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,160
that

883
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:50,880
yeah this was um

884
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:00,230
i think i think he froze up

885
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,200
is

886
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,800
oh there you go

887
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,720
yeah i saw that

888
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,160
and uh

889
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,800
what happened was um

890
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:10,880
let me pull it up here real quick yeah

891
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,400
this was this person

892
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:16,079
this person saw it out in the parking

893
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,280
lot it was in the evening they were

894
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:19,520
getting off about 9 30

895
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,800
and uh he was a truck driver

896
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,320
so he was you know he was delivering

897
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,200
mail to the sorting facility

898
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,079
and he described it as an orange eyed

899
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:31,920
winged being

900
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,200
and he was fairly close to it so

901
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:36,800
and that's not the first time we've had

902
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,839
sightings at that

903
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,920
facility and he of course a lot of times

904
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:43,680
when we talk to these people they tell

905
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:46,960
us well i had no idea this was going on

906
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,839
you know and um

907
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,560
so and what i did i would google

908
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,640
orange orange-eyed red-eyed winged

909
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,960
humanoid winged being and your name

910
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,960
would come up and you know we'd report

911
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,599
it and that was reported to manuel well

912
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:04,480
who has the ufo clearinghouse website

913
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,079
so uh it's myself emmanuel and tobias

914
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,720
waylon over to the senior 14 society

915
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,240
where the three who are getting most of

916
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,480
the reports

917
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,400
oh and you know somebody mentioned this

918
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,560
is a good point that you know in chicago

919
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,480
i would assume that there are there are

920
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,880
some traffic cams and things like that

921
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,640
have you been able to

922
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:26,480
sort of interface with their system to

923
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,599
try to get some film or or

924
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,359
images of this thing

925
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,359
yeah well we've tried

926
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,079
uh the city of chicago has not been very

927
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,000
cooperative

928
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,599
imagine that the government not being

929
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,160
helpful yeah um

930
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,680
we had a

931
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:46,560
a pair of police officers

932
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,280
who

933
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,119
saw one of these beings standing on a

934
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,280
three-story building

935
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,480
and uh they contacted us

936
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,320
because there was a crowd that that

937
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,240
formed there and they they flagged these

938
00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:00,079
cops down and it was in one of the

939
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,599
neighborhoods

940
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,079
and um

941
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,000
they got a hold of us and told us what

942
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:08,079
they had seen

943
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,359
and this thing was stand they thought

944
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,960
first first of all they thought it was

945
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,920
jumper

946
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,200
you know they thought it was somebody on

947
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,200
top the roof was going to jump but when

948
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,599
they saw this thing unfurl its wings and

949
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,599
the red eyes and take off and screech

950
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,520
well they knew something other than the

951
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,200
person doing that

952
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,200
and um

953
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,160
they the police officer told me he did

954
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,079
file a report

955
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,160
so i'm thinking wow good we can file a

956
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:34,160
foia request with chicago police

957
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,440
department

958
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,550
it's interesting you know when you file

959
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,119
a foia request it usually takes two to

960
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,040
three weeks to

961
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,880
get a response

962
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,359
yeah we got all three of us filed a

963
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,480
report filed a request and we all got a

964
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,920
request

965
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,160
uh a receipt

966
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,839
two days later like they were looking

967
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,599
for it

968
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,920
and we have no record of this

969
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,240
whatsoever

970
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,920
yeah that's interesting why would the

971
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,359
report disappear

972
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,240
yeah and we found uh at the airport we

973
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,040
had some we had some um

974
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,680
some pilots see this thing they

975
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,160
they filed a report with uh with their

976
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:20,079
supervisors

977
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,720
i contacted the uh the great lakes

978
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,760
uh

979
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,400
division of the federal aeronautics

980
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,720
administration for foia they have no

981
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,960
record of it

982
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,599
as far as the city of chicago goes

983
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,680
now we did have one of our one of our

984
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,880
witnesses worked in the mayor's office

985
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,359
oh that's interesting you know

986
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:46,160
when i talked to her i i did ask her and

987
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,359
said look

988
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,200
or do you think we can get some

989
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,359
cooperation with the city she started

990
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,520
laughing at me she said they know about

991
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,400
this

992
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,400
they are not going to cooperate at all

993
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,119
they are trying to shut this thing down

994
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,640
i have made requests for uh for video

995
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,800
cam you know because the city is full of

996
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,319
video games

997
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,040
i have requested video footage from

998
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,119
security companies

999
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,079
near areas where settings had been

1000
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,560
and it's just like nobody wants to

1001
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,800
comply whatsoever

1002
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,200
now i can imagine though you can imagine

1003
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,960
though like imagine being the guy at the

1004
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,200
security company and somebody calls and

1005
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,960
says i'm going to need this footage

1006
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,960
because somebody saw an eight-foot tall

1007
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:31,119
winged humanoid creature and we want to

1008
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,560
see if it's all you know they probably

1009
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,480
think you're a whack job right well yeah

1010
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,480
yeah you can it's a real thing people

1011
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,160
are seeing so i guess you can understand

1012
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,880
some of that and yeah somebody mentioned

1013
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,119
have you tried setting up cameras at the

1014
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,800
cemetery that you're talking about that

1015
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,880
may be

1016
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,119
we're in the process of doing that it's

1017
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,960
just a matter of being able to put

1018
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,960
something on private property like that

1019
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:54,960
because it is private property

1020
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,680
oh yeah we are looking into it

1021
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,160
uh drones maybe you can fly drones over

1022
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,599
that well

1023
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,560
you if

1024
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,480
you're not gonna fly a drone over an

1025
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,599
airport

1026
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,079
uh they're oh yeah you're right

1027
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,800
but the cemetery may be

1028
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,880
well yeah but it's still in the airport

1029
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,400
so you're not gonna be able to oh the

1030
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,560
cemetery is in the airport it's right in

1031
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,839
the airport

1032
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,000
oh it's like an old ancient cemetery

1033
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:23,040
then well it's from the 1800s the name

1034
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,400
of the cemetery is rest haven cemetery

1035
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,800
uh it's part of the it was actually two

1036
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,599
cemeteries there originally one was

1037
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,520
was uh dug up

1038
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,760
and paved over but this one remained for

1039
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,079
whatever reason i don't know

1040
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,800
it seems awful bizarre that that thing

1041
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,480
remained there but

1042
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,240
i don't know the full story on that and

1043
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,000
that's something we're looking into as

1044
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,119
to why this cemetery remained there

1045
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,000
but uh yeah i mean

1046
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,240
we've thought about because of trees

1047
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,800
around the cemetery

1048
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,200
and we have talked about

1049
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,920
going in there and putting cameras up in

1050
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:04,240
to the trees

1051
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,359
but

1052
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,280
you know

1053
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,280
the only problem is i i just feel that

1054
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,880
if we don't get permission we're really

1055
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:12,480
sticking our neck out

1056
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,359
so yeah

1057
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,760
you don't get arrested i don't want tsa

1058
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,720
getting on us about anything so um and

1059
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,040
look the security the the separate

1060
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,160
security that the airport employees

1061
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,240
they're they're pretty tough

1062
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,119
um

1063
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,680
so yeah

1064
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,960
yeah that's that's the reason why we're

1065
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,240
gonna do it there there's pictures of

1066
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,680
the cemetery there

1067
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,200
yeah i'm trying to i'm trying to show

1068
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,119
some good images so there's just this

1069
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,960
cemetery right there where all these

1070
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,480
people are seeing these things look

1071
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,319
there's an airplane flying right in over

1072
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,960
the cemetery that's amazing we also had

1073
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:45,920
a

1074
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,280
worker

1075
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,920
he was out on a smoke break

1076
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,680
and the cemetery is right behind the

1077
00:43:03,349 --> 00:42:58,560
dock and um he was out there and he had

1078
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,359
he saw a ufo an oval-shaped bright ufo

1079
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,000
suddenly appear above the cemetery

1080
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:08,480
and hovered above it

1081
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,030
ascend into the ufo

1082
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,400
well the first thing we asked him is

1083
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,720
look did this thing have wings on it i

1084
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,800
couldn't tell

1085
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,480
you know i didn't know

1086
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,480
but we have had um

1087
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,119
we have had graze

1088
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,560
associated with this phenomena

1089
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,960
uh that had been seen with

1090
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,720
a winged humanoid

1091
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:39,280
we've had human other humanoids

1092
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,240
associated with around these beings as

1093
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:43,839
well

1094
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,640
uh you know chicago has a very

1095
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,400
interesting

1096
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,920
dynamic with

1097
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,240
parks and greenways and stuff

1098
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,359
and um some of the parks near the

1099
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,480
airport

1100
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,560
people have reported seeing unusual

1101
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,119
humanoids in

1102
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,280
in the park itself

1103
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,079
well that's interesting yeah so there's

1104
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,720
a lot of layers here um

1105
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,079
yeah i was going to ask you because

1106
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,319
you've you've investigated this wind

1107
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,079
creatures and cryptids but you've also

1108
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,480
investigated aliens and abductions and

1109
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,520
yeah and experiencers and and phantoms

1110
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,440
and monsters

1111
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,520
some people seem to think that all of

1112
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:26,319
this is is from the same source it's

1113
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,119
like

1114
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:29,280
often the same root you know that it's

1115
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,480
all connected

1116
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,599
it's all

1117
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,760
intertwined somehow

1118
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,839
is that something that you get a sense

1119
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,880
of or or do you think there's you know

1120
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,560
because some people say that these

1121
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,480
aliens the grays that people are seeing

1122
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,160
they're not really from another star

1123
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,760
system they're from another dimension

1124
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,200
which would tie into what you think

1125
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:48,640
about mothman

1126
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,109
yeah i i think there is some connection

1127
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,200
for the most part uh with these

1128
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,560
phenomena

1129
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,839
um

1130
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,200
you know

1131
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,440
years and years ago when this ufo

1132
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,280
abduction phenomena thing started

1133
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,040
happening and people started reporting

1134
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,560
this you know like when you go back to

1135
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,400
the 60s with betty and barney hill and

1136
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,880
all that it there was normal ufo

1137
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,960
involved with it and the grays were the

1138
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,520
the beings that were doing the abducting

1139
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:20,400
that has kind of evolved over the years

1140
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,599
it's it's turned into more of a portal

1141
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,800
like

1142
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,640
uh abduction

1143
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,480
where the people are transported out of

1144
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,440
their homes not into a craft or anything

1145
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,720
as such

1146
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,800
uh they go through a window or go

1147
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,400
through a portal that opens up in a

1148
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,720
bedroom or things like that

1149
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,800
that seems to be

1150
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,599
more and more what we're getting now

1151
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,560
uh and it's usually

1152
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,800
not just the grays we're getting

1153
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,400
factions of

1154
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,040
different types of human humanoids even

1155
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,800
humans and that are involved with these

1156
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,000
things

1157
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,760
uh

1158
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,079
it it it's

1159
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,800
it's really bizarre how it has changed

1160
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,560
over time

1161
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,880
but you know with anything else it does

1162
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:09,359
seem to evolve sometimes it does seem to

1163
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,480
change

1164
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,400
and i think uh

1165
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,640
for whatever reason whatever their

1166
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,480
agenda is

1167
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,920
uh it has been has been changing so uh

1168
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,520
you know what's gonna happen next i

1169
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,550
yeah yeah it's just it's kind of bizarre

1170
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,400
though so people are seeing gray aliens

1171
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,839
too you mentioned

1172
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,440
that some people

1173
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,359
are seeing gray aliens is that also in

1174
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,160
the chicago area yeah we've had uh we

1175
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,880
had one truck driver see one of these

1176
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,760
short

1177
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,599
alien grays

1178
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,400
walking by the cemetery

1179
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,520
we had a woman who saw one of these

1180
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,319
winged beings in a park

1181
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:52,079
under a light

1182
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,880
at an

1183
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,280
auxiliary building at night

1184
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:58,160
where there was the wing being a grey

1185
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,280
alien

1186
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,000
and two female humans that didn't

1187
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,040
necessarily act like they were human

1188
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,960
and that's interesting as she was

1189
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,280
watching there was a sudden blue light

1190
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:10,960
flashed

1191
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,839
everything disappeared except for the

1192
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,560
winged humanoid and in a couple seconds

1193
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,520
later that thing took off

1194
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,079
and this woman was a school teacher

1195
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,680
and she was freaked out because

1196
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,160
the day that she

1197
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,680
contacted

1198
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,520
one of my people

1199
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:33,839
and told them about it

1200
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,119
she had a men in black like encounter at

1201
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,640
her school

1202
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,559
or something now it wasn't dressed in

1203
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,880
black or it was just somebody came up

1204
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,720
and asked her about her

1205
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,960
sighting her encounter

1206
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,520
and you know out of the blue

1207
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,119
government

1208
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,559
huh

1209
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,800
like a government type of a person

1210
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,680
yeah i mean from what she described yeah

1211
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,400
uh they were very serious they they

1212
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,119
wanted to know if she had reported it

1213
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,119
she didn't say anything to him she tried

1214
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,200
to walk away from him

1215
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,240
but uh yeah this person came up said

1216
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,559
have you reported your encounter from

1217
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,960
the other night or this and that and she

1218
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,400
was freaked

1219
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,200
i mean she was i mean she would not get

1220
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,960
on the phone with us she was sending

1221
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,559
emails and such

1222
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,359
she she was afraid and um yeah yeah

1223
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,280
that's spooky when yeah when the

1224
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:29,200
government type comes in

1225
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,160
yeah

1226
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,920
you know i you where you told me that

1227
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,000
there's a lot of sightings in and around

1228
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,400
that airport but what about in the more

1229
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,720
urban areas in chicago is there a

1230
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,880
mothman like in the hood people in the

1231
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,200
hood are seeing mothman yeah that'd be

1232
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,280
kind of interesting i i've had all kinds

1233
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,200
of witnesses i've had

1234
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,359
hispanic

1235
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,200
old social

1236
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,480
social economic levels i mean it it

1237
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,760
it is a not nondescript uh just uh

1238
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,240
discriminating cryptid or being or

1239
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,440
whatever

1240
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,960
it's appearing to everybody but that

1241
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:04,880
yeah that sounds like that sounds like a

1242
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,160
bad movie right like mothman in the hood

1243
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,440
yeah

1244
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,440
it's funny because i mean some of these

1245
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:12,559
are very

1246
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,520
neighborhoods and uh yeah

1247
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,440
yeah

1248
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,559
go ahead

1249
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,480
i was going to ask a few

1250
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,640
what do you think of of some people who

1251
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:24,480
are very skeptical who say that people

1252
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,000
are seeing uh like an owl or a crane

1253
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,160
could is there owls or cranes even in

1254
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,960
the chicago area i don't i don't know

1255
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,119
yeah there are there are sand hill

1256
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:36,559
cranes that come through at certain

1257
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,160
times a year uh blue herons will show up

1258
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,760
uh some owls but nothing to the degree

1259
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,040
of what we're getting you know we've

1260
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,559
looked into that of course we've had

1261
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,920
sightings

1262
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,079
that could have very well been

1263
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,760
and a bird a big bird um

1264
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:56,000
and we've been able to distinguish those

1265
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,040
um

1266
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,559
we've had pictures of people seeing

1267
00:50:01,190 --> 00:50:00,319
these things flying and we determined it

1268
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,200
was a

1269
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,760
uh a sandhill crane or a heron you know

1270
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,000
you can you can tell that

1271
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:08,720
but as far as being something huge

1272
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,800
that's got a bat like wing and very thin

1273
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,960
uh and let alone with red eyes yeah

1274
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,640
that's something different

1275
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,480
that reminds me there's a famous photo

1276
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,559
that somebody took this one i don't know

1277
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,480
if you're familiar with it i'm very

1278
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,559
familiar with that now some people say

1279
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,160
this is the mothman and other people

1280
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,040
have said no this is an owl with a snake

1281
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,760
in its claws that's what it is

1282
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,440
that's what it is

1283
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,200
okay we can put this one the rest i'm

1284
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,200
glad you're here because i've been

1285
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,760
staring at this thing for a while since

1286
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,720
the first show that that photograph and

1287
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,720
it was taken in new jersey from my

1288
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,079
understand

1289
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,119
and it was a uh it was a huge owl

1290
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,440
probably a barn out some type of raptor

1291
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,119
or now but it was

1292
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,400
that is a snake in its claws

1293
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,640
yeah and it's talented so

1294
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,280
just an owl flying with the snakes but

1295
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,040
it looks yeah if you look at the wing

1296
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,119
structure it's definitely an owl wing

1297
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,880
structure

1298
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,640
oh interesting so that's one mystery of

1299
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,240
the mothman that we could put to rest

1300
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,400
because i i wasn't able to you know i'm

1301
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,559
not an expert on owls i've seen one in

1302
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,680
my life

1303
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,440
at the cabin and that scared the [\h__\h]

1304
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,119
out of me it was so big i couldn't

1305
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,839
believe how big it was like i just

1306
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,839
jumped back and it flew right over me

1307
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,359
and i was like jesus christ that thing

1308
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,040
was huge you know i don't know what kind

1309
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,680
of owl it was or whatever but there's

1310
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,920
one mystery that we can solve then that

1311
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:33,280
that's a shame

1312
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,079
looks looks like uh that is just a uh

1313
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,280
an owl with a snake

1314
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,200
interesting how the eye can be fooled

1315
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,359
right sure absolutely especially in the

1316
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,069
yeah the other thing that's always

1317
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,680
fascinating with the mothman sightings

1318
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,079
or give not fascinated me but given me

1319
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,280
some pause is the red eyes because you

1320
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,040
know uh i could shine a flashlight in

1321
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:01,440
the woods at my cabin and and

1322
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:04,960
deer's eyes will look red or you know

1323
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,520
raccoon's eyes or you know

1324
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,520
do you get a sense that that

1325
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,720
this could be

1326
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,599
people seeing animals and scurrying off

1327
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,000
and they think it flew off or

1328
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,160
like what percentage do you think is

1329
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,920
misidentified creatures and what

1330
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,000
percentage do you do you go

1331
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:24,000
there there's no other explanation this

1332
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:25,200
is something

1333
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:29,839
extraordinary i i'd say 75 to 80

1334
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,240
i believe are actual sightings of

1335
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:34,480
something unexplained

1336
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,640
um as far as eye shine goes

1337
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,319
there's ways of determining eye shine uh

1338
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,760
because

1339
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,079
i shine looks like it's actual

1340
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,559
reflective glare

1341
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,359
but when the being is projecting red

1342
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,839
light or whatever colored light then

1343
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,559
that's something different

1344
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,000
and that's what we're getting from

1345
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,400
people that they're literally

1346
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,119
look like two red flashlights

1347
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,720
beaming out

1348
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,720
where there's kind of that aura around

1349
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:08,000
it

1350
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,680
yeah and i i've i've heard that the some

1351
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,559
people

1352
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,800
it's glowing eyes but

1353
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,640
people are seeing them with green eyes

1354
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,880
or blue eyes too right like different

1355
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:25,040
colors they've had different colors

1356
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,400
yeah um

1357
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,640
most of the the when you we do have the

1358
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,800
colored eyes it's mostly red or orange

1359
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:34,000
that's like 99 95

1360
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,000
we have had blue eyes up in wisconsin

1361
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:40,160
we had a yellow eyed

1362
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,200
being

1363
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,440
and i forget where that was then we had

1364
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,680
two that was reported to me by another

1365
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,520
cryptozoologist

1366
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,079
up in milwaukee where there were green

1367
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:54,870
so uh i don't know what that's all about

1368
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:57,760
now i've had i've had settings

1369
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,119
up that far up into milwaukee before

1370
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,559
and we have had a lot of sightings in

1371
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,640
southern wisconsin

1372
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,880
but yeah um

1373
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,760
but most of the red eyes

1374
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,319
so wisconsin is another hot spot then

1375
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:14,079
first things i didn't i haven't heard

1376
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,960
that

1377
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,480
have you been there to investigate some

1378
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,839
of those as well

1379
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,119
we have looked into a lot of those

1380
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,280
settings yeah

1381
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,720
yeah well i have one of our

1382
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,319
investigators lives in south southern

1383
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,200
wisconsin uh so he's

1384
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,599
he's literally going to the um the

1385
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,599
witnesses and talk to him

1386
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,880
but yeah

1387
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,800
are there reports from wisconsin similar

1388
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:36,880
to chicago as far as the appearance it's

1389
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,920
emaciated humanoid with bat like wings

1390
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,640
and

1391
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,880
yeah very similar

1392
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,680
very similar huh

1393
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,000
yeah that this this whole phenomenon is

1394
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,640
crazy to me and i i often like i

1395
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,319
just think about that like what what

1396
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,920
kind of

1397
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:56,000
amazing world we must live in if these

1398
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,280
things are coming from some other

1399
00:55:02,549 --> 00:54:59,599
dimension or through a portal from some

1400
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,559
other world and but then i always go

1401
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,240
back to what is their purpose here what

1402
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:05,839
are they doing here you said that they

1403
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,880
just did trying to acclimate themselves

1404
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,040
to us maybe they were gods to us in a

1405
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,599
previous time and

1406
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:15,280
were gone for a while and now they're

1407
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,240
back

1408
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,319
yeah i mean that that's kind of the

1409
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,400
sense i get from it that they're they're

1410
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,240
trying to make their way back somehow

1411
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,880
that they're they're familiar with us

1412
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,799
uh you know you asked earlier and i

1413
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,799
didn't really answer about how i react

1414
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,119
to people saying that

1415
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,040
there are misidentifications and such

1416
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,880
and of course you know within the

1417
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,119
community the cryptid community and the

1418
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,720
paranormal community we get a lot of

1419
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,040
that we've had a lot of pushback on this

1420
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,760
from the very beginning

1421
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,160
and uh i get that

1422
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,000
but i you know i've been doing this for

1423
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,119
so long now it kind of rolls off my back

1424
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,720
at this point

1425
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:54,880
you're like you're like yeah this isn't

1426
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,079
an owl right like this right now

1427
00:56:03,109 --> 00:55:59,520
it's not an owl

1428
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,119
i report what i get i um

1429
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,240
i'm i am very critical of what i get

1430
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,920
um

1431
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,760
i do make us

1432
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,559
you know my own interpretations of what

1433
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,640
i get and you know

1434
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,119
that's what i base my post on and what i

1435
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,000
report on and uh yeah people don't agree

1436
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,880
with tail they're they're free to uh

1437
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,839
they're free to their own

1438
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,240
interpretations i and i understand that

1439
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,520
but um

1440
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,240
you know as this phenomena has continued

1441
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,839
on

1442
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,839
it it hasn't been a shot in the dark

1443
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,040
thing this is something that has

1444
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:38,240
continued on and on and on and uh

1445
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,349
yeah and do you get a sense of of

1446
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,960
like

1447
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,280
are the reports increasing in frequency

1448
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,200
or slowing down

1449
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,640
is activity up or down lately it it's

1450
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,400
slower than it was when it originally

1451
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:57,839
started

1452
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,440
i i say we get one to two good reports a

1453
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,839
month now on the average you know

1454
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,960
um

1455
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,359
but who knows i mean who knows when it's

1456
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:09,119
going to start spiking again you know

1457
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,480
there was a while there

1458
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:12,160
well we were getting sightings every

1459
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,079
week at o'hara and um

1460
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,920
but there are people who are seeing

1461
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:19,680
these things who just are not reporting

1462
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,400
it

1463
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,720
and i know that for a fact and i can

1464
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,240
imagine yeah you see something like that

1465
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,359
you go

1466
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,920
yeah yeah there's they're scared to lose

1467
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,599
their jobs for the most part because

1468
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:31,040
they are being threatened with their

1469
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,319
jobs

1470
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,839
and it's interesting that the airline

1471
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,440
would would do that though i don't

1472
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,359
understand their reasoning but i guess

1473
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,280
they don't want uh the attention maybe

1474
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,000
they don't want the controversy

1475
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,680
well you know with the covet thing and

1476
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,839
all that and they were losing passengers

1477
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,760
and they lost a lot of money during that

1478
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,680
period of time i i think they're kind of

1479
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,079
doing as much as they can to alleviate

1480
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,559
any loss of income and maybe that's the

1481
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,160
reason why they're behind it you know

1482
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:58,160
really pushing to

1483
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,440
quell this

1484
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,599
um i and if that's the case then i

1485
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,839
understand it but still

1486
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,000
you know i want to get i want to get it

1487
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,400
out there i want some explanations

1488
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,240
you know and um

1489
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,400
if people do have these experiences i

1490
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,240
want them to come forward so we can at

1491
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,079
least get a record of it

1492
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,200
and uh and look into it you know

1493
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,040
the more the merrier basically and it's

1494
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,400
um

1495
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,160
you know it it's nothing it's not

1496
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,640
something i take lightly or my team

1497
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,119
takes lately we're very um

1498
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,599
very serious about this

1499
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:33,359
everything we do actually but this in

1500
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:34,799
particular

1501
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:40,150
so these psychics that you mentioned

1502
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,760
that are in contact with them is that

1503
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,839
like an ongoing contact that they're

1504
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:46,559
continuing to try to contact this entity

1505
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,440
or

1506
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,359
it's off and on i mean it's not a matter

1507
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,720
of us

1508
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:52,319
getting hold of them it's the other way

1509
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,440
around

1510
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,440
um

1511
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,640
they they do offer contact when called

1512
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,599
upon sometimes

1513
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,040
but um

1514
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,680
not as much as they had earlier we we

1515
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:08,480
actually ran into a problem

1516
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,160
back in uh uh i guess early november

1517
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,240
we started reporting

1518
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,359
more

1519
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,319
in depth on these these uh encounters

1520
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,160
with our team

1521
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,880
and uh what happened was we had people

1522
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,920
who were summoning these beings

1523
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,440
and trying

1524
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,190
that didn't turn that didn't turn out

1525
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,680
too well because these beings fought

1526
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,960
back on them

1527
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,040
i don't know if anybody got hurt but i

1528
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:40,799
know

1529
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,640
the unseen ones that had contacted our

1530
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,520
people were very upset about it

1531
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:50,000
and they had asked us

1532
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:51,440
to

1533
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,720
back off a bit on the information that

1534
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,160
was going out

1535
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:58,079
and what what method of summoning like

1536
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:59,839
some kind of ceremonial magic or

1537
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,160
something yeah i think i i think there a

1538
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,079
lot of them are using chaos magic or

1539
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,000
something to that effect

1540
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,839
and they think that they can bind and

1541
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,680
control these creatures well they were

1542
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,839
trying to i don't know exactly what

1543
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,520
methods they were using and they didn't

1544
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,000
get any specifics with us

1545
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,839
but you know

1546
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:19,760
my team was pretty familiar with these

1547
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:23,119
type of uh divination and

1548
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,480
summoning

1549
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,040
uh methods and that's a new thing to me

1550
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:28,960
i've never heard of that somebody can

1551
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,319
summon the mothman entity with uh well

1552
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:34,960
you know what i'll tell you what

1553
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,079
going back to the point pleasant mothman

1554
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,240
and this is a theory i've had from a

1555
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,319
long time ago and i think it's true

1556
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:43,760
today

1557
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,119
um i think the original mothman

1558
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:49,359
was a summoned being

1559
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,119
by a very strong indigenous spirit or

1560
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,400
energy that's located at the west

1561
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:58,160
virginia ordinance works people call it

1562
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,760
the tnt plant

1563
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,240
and the reason why

1564
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:04,319
first of all i've done investigations at

1565
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:05,440
the area

1566
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,440
we've gotten some very interesting efp

1567
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,040
evp

1568
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,599
uh recordings very distinctive

1569
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,520
recordings from there

1570
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:17,839
and look when i go in there i get i get

1571
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,880
a sick feeling anytime i go there anyway

1572
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:23,599
the energy is just palpable but anyway i

1573
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,200
believe that this mothman beam

1574
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,240
was summoned as a um

1575
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,799
from another dimension as a sentinel

1576
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,559
guardian

1577
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:37,200
you know the the tnt plant

1578
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,119
was growing a lot of younger adults

1579
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,480
kids

1580
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:44,960
and i think this this

1581
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,240
spirit energy was threatened by it

1582
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,720
and i think that's where the mothman how

1583
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,720
and why the malt man came

1584
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,559
to point pleasant

1585
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:57,520
as a sentinel and if you if you're

1586
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,520
familiar with the uh the mothman stories

1587
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,359
this thing was very aggressive and

1588
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:04,960
actually

1589
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,200
and i think that being

1590
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,670
now

1591
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,079
i don't think these beings in in chicago

1592
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,839
have been summoned i don't think that's

1593
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:21,119
the case here

1594
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,880
but i think that was the case there

1595
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,480
well that's it's interesting that you

1596
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,160
mention the ceremonial magic and

1597
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,839
summoning them

1598
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,480
because i once interviewed and i'm still

1599
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,160
friendly with the catholic priest who's

1600
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,559
an exorcist and i told him that i was

1601
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,240
going to be doing this interview i said

1602
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,599
i'd like to know some of your thoughts

1603
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,160
on this mothman phenomenon and this is

1604
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,400
what he sent me back in an email he said

1605
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,400
the creature resembles a demon in all

1606
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,799
respects i believe that it is a demon

1607
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,799
and it should be avoided at all costs

1608
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,760
and not ever interacted with in fact it

1609
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,200
should be ignored or you may be

1610
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:57,280
welcoming its demonic energies into your

1611
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,400
own life

1612
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,559
it goes on to say that several possessed

1613
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:01,920
people in the church that he did

1614
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,960
exorcisms on saw the so-called mothman

1615
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,559
creature before their possession by

1616
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,640
demons and suffering began

1617
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,880
i strongly urge all people to not

1618
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:12,799
communicate with or

1619
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,400
uh contact this entity which i believe

1620
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:17,760
is demonic

1621
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,240
what do you think of his

1622
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,160
opinion you know this isn't amazing he's

1623
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,839
entitled to his opinion

1624
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,760
i i've heard this from other clergy as

1625
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,880
well

1626
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,240
because you're directly trying to

1627
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,000
communicate with them and he strongly

1628
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,480
cautions against that and like i said

1629
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:34,559
we're very careful we're very careful

1630
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,400
with what's going on here so you don't

1631
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,839
believe that they're evil or that

1632
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,160
they're demons i don't think so

1633
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,160
uh at this point it hasn't turned out

1634
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,880
look i'm i'm always cautious

1635
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,559
i i have

1636
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,440
i have worked with um

1637
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:52,079
uh people who've had possessions and

1638
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,440
who've had

1639
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,400
uh infestations forever i mean i've been

1640
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,799
doing that for a long time i get it i

1641
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,960
understand where he's coming from i

1642
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,240
understand where these other people are

1643
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,160
coming from there are malevolent

1644
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:06,160
energies i don't necessarily believe in

1645
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:07,440
demons

1646
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:08,400
but

1647
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,680
evil is evil and there are energies that

1648
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,119
are malevolent

1649
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,599
now is is the mothman the winged

1650
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:18,319
humanoid something that is evil i don't

1651
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:19,760
know

1652
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,039
but i from what i can tell

1653
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,599
from the uh the descriptions and what

1654
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,079
from people have experienced

1655
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,480
i i don't believe that's the case though

1656
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,240
you know they're they're

1657
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:34,240
everybody is entitled to their opinion

1658
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,359
on this

1659
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:37,920
but i i do say that we are careful about

1660
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,559
it

1661
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,720
yeah i mean i was raised catholic and

1662
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,559
and i'm not saying that i disagree with

1663
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,319
this priest i i like the guy i have a

1664
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:46,000
lot of respect for what he does he tries

1665
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:49,039
to help a lot of suffering people who he

1666
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,559
believes and they believe that they're

1667
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,640
possessed and they do the whole

1668
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,720
they do the whole thing with with the

1669
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,400
people that when he agrees to do an

1670
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,720
exorcism they've exhausted every other

1671
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,559
possibility before they

1672
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,400
say yes this is a demon possession

1673
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,599
absolutely

1674
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,720
but

1675
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,280
growing up catholic i know that they are

1676
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,000
very quick that's evil stay away from it

1677
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,400
you know ouija boards tarot cards

1678
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,880
witchcraft books you can't read

1679
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,119
i wasn't even allowed to read certain

1680
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,079
books growing up you know the priests

1681
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,720
told my father to burn books that i had

1682
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,039
gotten you know and i was just curious

1683
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,119
and young and like what's this

1684
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,359
you know witchcraft thing about it these

1685
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,599
spells work so i got a couple of books

1686
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,599
my dad burned them they're very quick to

1687
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,079
go right to everything is evil and i

1688
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,680
think that's a little bit

1689
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,960
it's a little bit

1690
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:41,039
over cautious like if we have this

1691
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,039
phenomenon right shouldn't we explore it

1692
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:45,920
before we just dismiss it as demonic and

1693
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:47,359
and

1694
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,160
yeah

1695
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,640
well i tell you i have been involved

1696
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,119
with some pretty rough cases as far as

1697
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:55,200
either possession or

1698
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,079
uh infestation i have been i have been

1699
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,960
at exorcisms with catholic rights in the

1700
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:03,680
whole nine years i have witnessed these

1701
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,640
i have also seen priests get so

1702
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,079
frustrated that they run out of the

1703
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,160
house

1704
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:11,920
yeah i mean

1705
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,799
you know they get scared too and um

1706
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,559
if it's something they can't explain

1707
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,280
look i understand it you know and

1708
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,799
there have been things that i've

1709
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,319
encountered

1710
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,880
where it it it's very hard to explain it

1711
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,039
i there are cases in the one in

1712
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:30,160
particular cases i have worked on for

1713
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,200
years

1714
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:33,359
until i finally got to a point where i

1715
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,839
started to understand it

1716
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,359
um

1717
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:39,680
you know malevolency runs on a lot of

1718
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,400
levels and um

1719
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:47,589
i i i can understand where where they

1720
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,119
come from saying

1721
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,440
you know using the the cover that look

1722
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,359
this is a demon

1723
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,440
that's the only thing we can describe as

1724
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,119
being

1725
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,880
and uh you know but it's just not the

1726
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,000
catholic church of course you're going

1727
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,319
to get it in any denomination where they

1728
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,400
you know they believe the uh

1729
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,880
you know the dogma the evil demon and

1730
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,960
this and that now i understand that it's

1731
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:10,079
imaginable

1732
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,920
it may just be the appearance of it

1733
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,039
right like they're not saying that

1734
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,119
bigfoot is a demon sure they're saying

1735
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,359
that the mothman is because winged you

1736
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:19,760
know bat wings and it looks sort of like

1737
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,480
a demon that has been portrayed

1738
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,119
in in you know fiction and culture

1739
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,119
throughout human history

1740
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,280
and we have some viewer questions if you

1741
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,680
don't mind taking a few viewer questions

1742
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,839
um this might be a tough one for you

1743
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,680
because it's probably uh some kind of

1744
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,359
controversy that i'm not aware of but

1745
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,520
timothy brigham says line are you and

1746
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:41,760
butch still promoting a human mutilation

1747
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,559
case against the family's wishes

1748
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,720
well unfortunately butch passed away

1749
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:49,680
last week so that case is mine now

1750
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,599
uh that's the uh todd c's death case

1751
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,680
uh yeah you know

1752
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,680
this case

1753
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,720
this occurred in 2002 in august of 2002

1754
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:02,160
or this gentleman by the name of todd

1755
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:03,359
sees

1756
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,160
uh

1757
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,720
was on the montour ridge which is above

1758
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,760
his property you know in the county

1759
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:11,200
pennsylvania

1760
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,839
and from all indications from witnesses

1761
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,760
that he was literally abducted by a

1762
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,520
craft

1763
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,679
people saw somebody being lifted into

1764
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,759
the craft at the time

1765
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:23,359
uh

1766
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,759
there was a lot of people who came out

1767
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:27,199
in the community to look for this

1768
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,319
gentleman

1769
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,719
it was a 36 hour search all up and down

1770
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,279
the ridge and uh nobody found anything

1771
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,239
but suddenly his body appears

1772
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,000
on the ground where everybody's been

1773
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,600
looking at

1774
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,600
and the guy was ventilated i'm not

1775
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:43,040
familiar with this guy no he wasn't

1776
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,400
mutilated

1777
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:47,040
per se i mean uh there was no blood in

1778
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,239
the body

1779
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:50,239
yeah wow he was dead

1780
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,440
there was some spot on the temple

1781
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,759
uh there was a

1782
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:58,799
lack of blood the fact when i understand

1783
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,600
when

1784
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,520
because we did get the autopsy report

1785
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:03,600
butch got the autopsy report

1786
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,120
from independent forensic

1787
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,040
coroner whoever in allentown

1788
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:12,080
pennsylvania i mean this is like what

1789
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,000
80 miles east of where it happened at

1790
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,550
they they

1791
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:22,960
the the final determination was that he

1792
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:26,080
died of a cocaine toxicity which was a

1793
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:27,440
load of crap

1794
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,239
uh but that's what they used

1795
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,159
this was a case that was kind of covered

1796
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,719
up for a long long time until butch and

1797
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:36,480
i decide we're going to look deep into

1798
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,199
it

1799
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,159
that was back in 2013

1800
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,799
uh yep the family

1801
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,799
has been fighting us

1802
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:46,159
tooth and nail

1803
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,319
about disclosure

1804
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,480
uh why they're doing that they have

1805
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:53,040
never explained to us

1806
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,320
apparently

1807
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,080
when this was all said and done they

1808
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,120
received a lead

1809
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,000
sealed coffin

1810
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:05,199
and we're told not to open it

1811
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,800
just to bury it or whatever they're

1812
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:08,640
going to wow that's bizarre why would it

1813
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:09,920
be lead

1814
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:12,640
well yeah why why was it lead and why

1815
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:14,840
was it sealed

1816
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:18,080
um i don't think the body was in there

1817
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,600
be honest with you

1818
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,520
uh i i think it was well that's i think

1819
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,600
government may have it but look you know

1820
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,360
when when this all happened when when

1821
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,679
the body was found when let's put it

1822
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:30,880
when the body turned up everybody who

1823
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,920
was searching was taken to the local

1824
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,080
fire station

1825
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,640
they were taken into the hall

1826
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,159
tuckahoe fire department that's what it

1827
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:41,760
was

1828
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,640
and

1829
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,679
these two guys in suits came up there

1830
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:47,280
closed the doors and told everybody

1831
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,400
you're going to be quiet you're not

1832
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,320
going to disclose any of this you're

1833
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,719
going to keep quiet about it nothing

1834
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,159
well you know people are saying well

1835
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:56,480
that these guys must been fbi uh they

1836
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:57,760
want fbi

1837
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,800
fbi doesn't do that these were air force

1838
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,640
personnel

1839
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,320
also may have some connection to some

1840
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,640
air force tests or experimental credit

1841
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,640
military

1842
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,440
you know but see the air force

1843
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,400
has always been tied in with the ufo

1844
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:15,920
phenomena

1845
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:19,120
and uh of course when it first started

1846
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,920
out

1847
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,560
you know a project blue book and that

1848
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,719
it was first air force and nasa got

1849
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,640
involved with some of that then was back

1850
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,800
to the air force and

1851
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,440
who knows what they're doing now

1852
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,760
but uh the air force has always had some

1853
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:35,280
had their thumb in the pie somewhere

1854
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,640
down the line

1855
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:38,800
and i believe that these guys are air

1856
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,320
force now butch and i have gotten a lot

1857
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,640
of pushback on this case

1858
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,320
uh mufon

1859
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:46,640
will not touch it

1860
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,440
none of the government agencies in the

1861
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,840
state of pennsylvania or federal will

1862
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,480
give us any answers or any

1863
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,320
any information

1864
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,320
you know it's funny we couldn't find a

1865
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,520
single thing about this todd sees guy

1866
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,760
until we did a radio interview together

1867
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,719
on beyond the edge radio back in 2014

1868
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,560
where we were disclosing some of the

1869
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,719
things we had found

1870
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:15,199
and uh the day after we did the radio

1871
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,239
show

1872
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:17,920
miraculously

1873
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,719
his

1874
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:21,679
social security number and an old

1875
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,750
that's bizarre yeah that was bizarre

1876
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:31,440
so we've been getting bits and pieces

1877
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,159
like that so um

1878
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:36,719
yeah it it the whole thing is an enigma

1879
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,920
i believe the man was literally taken

1880
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,520
by some

1881
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,280
craft of

1882
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,679
alien whatever you want to say it was

1883
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:48,080
and now he was dumped

1884
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:49,120
and

1885
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:51,280
something went wrong the guy was dead

1886
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,679
the body had scratches all over it so

1887
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:55,280
apparently he tried to get away from

1888
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:56,400
this thing

1889
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:57,280
uh

1890
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:58,800
up on the top of the ridge there were a

1891
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,320
lot of briars and such up there so uh

1892
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,480
i i think he was trying to get away

1893
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,840
yeah that's absolutely our case i

1894
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,880
haven't heard of that one i'm gonna have

1895
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,560
to look into that one

1896
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,880
thanks area 503 for your kindness your

1897
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,400
generosity and your support of the show

1898
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,600
he says thanks for the interesting

1899
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,120
conversation you too i love getting

1900
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,520
multiple views and opinions i love

1901
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:20,000
getting the experts on subjects so i i

1902
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,520
can't tell you how happy i am that you

1903
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,760
agree to come here and uh we do have

1904
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,480
some other questions here somebody asked

1905
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,800
uh let me get to the questions from the

1906
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,560
live chat if you do have a question for

1907
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,320
lon please put it in all capital letters

1908
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:34,159
so that i know that it is a question for

1909
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,040
lon

1910
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,520
and not just uh chatter in the in the

1911
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,360
live chat

1912
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,590
yeah um

1913
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:45,600
matthew asks have these chicago mothman

1914
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,080
ever been witnessed using technology i

1915
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:50,080
don't know if there'd be radar tapes of

1916
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:51,920
their flying around or anything like

1917
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,870
call us to call the chicago over here

1918
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:00,800
have you guys picked up any mothman on

1919
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:03,440
your radar systems right yeah well you

1920
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:05,920
know we you know when i put in the um

1921
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,560
when i put in to the faa the foia

1922
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,880
request i did ask about that and of

1923
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,640
course they said well there's no report

1924
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:14,080
of anything so there were nothing to be

1925
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,840
on radar you know

1926
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:17,600
i'm quite sure they've picked up

1927
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,320
somewhere down the line though you know

1928
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,239
yeah they could pick up your birds so

1929
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,719
why not they had to be very hot they had

1930
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,640
to be pretty high up for radar to pick

1931
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,800
up on them so i don't know i don't know

1932
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,440
what the what that really is but we know

1933
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,040
we we haven't gotten anything to that

1934
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:35,120
effect

1935
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,520
wow yeah

1936
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,280
and and there's no

1937
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:41,360
you you said there's very little as far

1938
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,800
as like photographic or uh or video

1939
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,360
evidence of these things in chicago yeah

1940
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,320
i i just wish we'd had this video from a

1941
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,719
couple weeks ago i really do because

1942
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,880
that would have been outstanding

1943
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,400
but uh

1944
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,320
you know this witness i mean he did

1945
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,320
detail it for us and

1946
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,000
it was very similar with people and it

1947
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,480
seems three of them and he they he

1948
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,400
swears three of them

1949
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,760
and uh

1950
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,679
he saw them all take off when when the

1951
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:11,600
security people showed up they all took

1952
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,480
off

1953
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,960
and they just literally jettisoned in

1954
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,800
the air like all the other ones and most

1955
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,719
of the other ones we had gotten

1956
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,120
so uh he he said he had videos things

1957
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,880
taken off as well so that would have

1958
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,880
been fantastic

1959
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:25,920
but

1960
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,640
unfortunately you know

1961
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:30,640
so he wasn't able to

1962
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,080
he didn't he

1963
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,159
he somebody claimed to have video but

1964
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:36,080
then they wouldn't produce yeah

1965
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,280
you know we were hoping it might have

1966
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:39,360
been uploaded on the cloud somehow but

1967
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,600
apparently it wasn't um

1968
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,159
they literally took them into an office

1969
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,960
the security office all three of them

1970
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,199
made them hand their phones to them

1971
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,600
and they cleared everything

1972
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:53,600
yeah that's one question i would ask

1973
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,480
about

1974
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,400
because a lot of skeptical people would

1975
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,480
say well you've got 150 people seeing

1976
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:00,560
this thing everybody's got a phone

1977
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,800
so not one person pulled out their phone

1978
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,880
and tried to get a picture or is there

1979
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:06,880
some interference maybe that they don't

1980
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,679
show up on film look at the scenario

1981
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,120
first of all these were fleeting

1982
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,440
sightings for the most part

1983
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:15,120
if you're walking down the street or

1984
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:18,159
you're somewhere and this thing shows up

1985
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,840
the first thing you're thinking about is

1986
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:21,520
what the hell am i looking at as opposed

1987
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,960
to grabbing a phone that's in your

1988
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:24,640
pocket

1989
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,199
yeah i've been there and you know

1990
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,199
by the time this thing

1991
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:31,760
is still within

1992
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:35,040
visibility of a camera it's wait it's

1993
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:36,719
gone i mean by the time you get a phone

1994
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:37,840
out

1995
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,800
we have had people who have had footage

1996
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,880
had taken photographs

1997
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,000
but they're very poor in quality

1998
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,640
because they're just too far away and uh

1999
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,800
we've tried to work on these photographs

2000
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,280
on these videos and it just it just has

2001
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,960
not panned out

2002
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:55,840
um

2003
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,000
deciding you know this is another thing

2004
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,480
i believe personally and i've had other

2005
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,159
people express the same thing especially

2006
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:06,080
people on the team

2007
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,360
that

2008
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:09,520
we've had situations where these things

2009
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:10,960
showed up where there were a lot of

2010
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,000
people around

2011
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,239
and these other people just do not seem

2012
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,080
to see it now

2013
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:20,640
are they able to

2014
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,400
be visible to just certain people

2015
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:27,199
do they do they have the ability to

2016
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,120
to distinguish themselves to just

2017
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:31,040
certain people for whatever reason i

2018
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:32,560
don't know

2019
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:38,310
yeah interesting

2020
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,080
you know it's just another theory

2021
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,320
as to why when these things are seen in

2022
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,480
crowds that

2023
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,719
other people around don't see it we've

2024
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,080
had a show up at la palu loppa palooza

2025
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:54,239
one year we had to show up at the navy

2026
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,360
pier

2027
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:57,040
at the um

2028
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:01,360
uh around around soldiers field around

2029
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,880
uh the planetarium

2030
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:06,560
where there were other lots of people

2031
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,360
there

2032
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,239
planetarium where a lot of people did

2033
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,280
see it

2034
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,040
um

2035
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,679
it's at the zoo

2036
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,360
at the lincoln zoo

2037
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:19,360
you know this thing has shown up to

2038
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,560
places where there are a lot of people

2039
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:24,960
and so it's not it's not shy about

2040
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:27,199
staying away from crowds

2041
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,640
not shy

2042
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,320
nothing whatsoever

2043
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,679
you know this is another thing people

2044
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:33,840
ask well look you know

2045
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,719
chicago's a violent city has everybody

2046
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,560
anybody ever taken a shot at one of

2047
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,280
these things well i don't know

2048
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:43,600
i nobody said about it like i said

2049
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:45,280
mothman in the hood i could see the

2050
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,960
grips in the bloods like let's shoot

2051
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,760
this [\h__\h] you know

2052
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,560
i haven't heard of that uh i i guess

2053
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,280
it's not beyond reality but maybe

2054
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,280
somebody has taken a shot at it but i

2055
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,040
haven't heard about it

2056
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,120
somebody asked in the live chat if there

2057
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:03,760
was any physical evidence ever at any of

2058
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:04,960
these cases and i think that's one of

2059
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:07,120
the frustrating parts for me

2060
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,400
is that

2061
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,960
you get a story and then you get

2062
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,040
the story but you don't get you know

2063
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,520
there's not like skin samples left

2064
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,520
behind or feathers or anything you know

2065
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:19,920
anything that we could glob onto right

2066
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:21,920
the only thing that we have gotten were

2067
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,480
footprints and snow

2068
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,560
well that's interesting yeah and what

2069
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,840
were those

2070
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,440
well

2071
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:31,360
they varied

2072
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:34,880
one footprint that we did get from a

2073
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,280
very reliable setting was of a very

2074
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:39,679
elongated foot that seemed to be about

2075
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:42,880
13 40 inches 14 inches long

2076
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,440
and very narrow

2077
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,679
then we had another

2078
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:49,120
set of prints

2079
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,400
from

2080
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:52,159
north

2081
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,880
what neighborhood it was but anyway

2082
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,040
uh it was behind a person's house they

2083
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:01,520
saw this thing standing by the fence

2084
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:02,320
and

2085
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:03,120
the

2086
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:07,840
narrow

2087
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,400
so uh maybe this i think i think i may

2088
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,320
have found one of these

2089
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:14,560
yeah they're witnessing footprints left

2090
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:17,199
by big black bird man in west

2091
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,000
west englewood chicago the city

2092
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,239
of society so you see the scene you can

2093
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,320
see the footprints

2094
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,080
what we have gotten

2095
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,679
um

2096
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,520
you know some people say well that looks

2097
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:31,600
like a rabbit or you know what a rabbit

2098
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,800
would do or

2099
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,639
a bird or even

2100
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:36,239
a pet but

2101
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:39,360
you know i i just don't see that

2102
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,600
and um

2103
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:43,440
now that one i'm not familiar with i

2104
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:45,280
don't think

2105
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:46,560
that's just

2106
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,840
just it looks like a rock

2107
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,760
but uh yeah they're from that's what's

2108
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:53,120
south illinois

2109
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,600
that's the one up in woodstock uh that

2110
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,280
was a very reliable sighting so you can

2111
01:21:03,669 --> 01:20:59,520
see what i was saying how long it was

2112
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,910
yeah well that's pretty interesting yeah

2113
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,440
it's one of those things that like big

2114
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:09,520
footprints it's like tantalizing but

2115
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,960
it's still not like definitive evidence

2116
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,639
that you could say okay this thing is

2117
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,719
real right

2118
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,360
well exactly i mean you know

2119
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:21,920
we get what we're given and uh we can

2120
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,960
only

2121
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,120
present what we got and

2122
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,880
you know hopefully somebody can come up

2123
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:28,560
with an explanation

2124
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:30,639
but as far as physical evidence no we

2125
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,040
just have not gotten anything uh that we

2126
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:35,600
can really hang our hat on

2127
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,080
yeah this is a this is a good uh this is

2128
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,239
a good question what what evidence would

2129
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:42,719
lon consider a slam dunk

2130
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,440
like what what would be like this is

2131
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,520
case closed that's real and here's the

2132
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,679
proof well just like with anything else

2133
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,560
it's decrypted with body

2134
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:54,800
you know if we had a body uh

2135
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:55,760
or

2136
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:58,639
a very good photograph i mean i'll take

2137
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,920
that

2138
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,400
uh a good photograph or even a video

2139
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,000
yeah sure i'll take that at this point

2140
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,080
because you know i i'm not really one

2141
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,480
that relies too much on photographic

2142
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,000
evidence because you know that can be

2143
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,840
manipulated

2144
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:14,080
especially today yeah absolutely today

2145
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,800
and um but no if we had a body or

2146
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,480
a piece of

2147
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,560
flesh or something that came off of one

2148
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:25,120
of these things yeah but geez i mean

2149
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,480
that's

2150
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,159
you know

2151
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,920
that's really grasping straws i don't

2152
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,639
think we're going to get that

2153
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,280
you never know you never know

2154
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:37,440
yeah another great question

2155
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,440
uh which may tie into the mothman

2156
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,320
phenomenon uh hutch asks has lon heard

2157
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:44,000
any details that might involve the

2158
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,360
jetpack man at lax to be the mothman

2159
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:48,800
no

2160
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:53,199
some idiot out there by lax flying

2161
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,120
around in some type of

2162
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,239
jet pack or some type of other vehicle

2163
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,320
uh all i can say to him i hope the hell

2164
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,639
he never gets caught because he's gonna

2165
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:04,159
do some time

2166
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,679
some people think that it's uh some

2167
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,199
people think that it's like a helium

2168
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,520
balloon made to resemble a man with a

2169
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,000
jet pack that may very well be and i've

2170
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,400
seen i've seen one video that looks like

2171
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,320
that that's got to be a real person but

2172
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,480
then i saw another video that's yeah

2173
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,159
that could be a balloon blown up and

2174
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,880
like put together to look like a man or

2175
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,960
switch together somehow we have seen

2176
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:26,400
these human

2177
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,520
figured

2178
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:29,440
balloons in the past

2179
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,480
uh

2180
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,199
we used to see them down in mexico

2181
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:35,360
uh with some footage we used to get down

2182
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,679
there uh i have seen them here in the

2183
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,960
states

2184
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,960
where it's it's a balloon shaped like a

2185
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:42,639
human that's just floating around you

2186
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:43,600
know

2187
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:45,920
um yeah i've seen that

2188
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,080
but as far as what people are seeing lax

2189
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:49,679
i don't know what that is

2190
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,920
uh i i don't know if it's some guy out

2191
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:54,159
there playing around i mean i i for his

2192
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:57,440
sake i hope he doesn't get caught

2193
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,679
yeah yeah i mean that would be like jail

2194
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,760
time probably flying the airport with

2195
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:03,040
one of those things that would be jail

2196
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,080
time

2197
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,880
yeah absolutely yeah tsc is not does not

2198
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,560
play around anymore

2199
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,320
homeland security as far as airport

2200
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:12,000
security

2201
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:13,840
you're going to do time

2202
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,719
yeah especially after 9 11 they're very

2203
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:19,440
hyper vigilant and nervous about anybody

2204
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,239
intruding on airspace right absolutely

2205
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,560
you you never know what people uh that's

2206
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,120
why it's difficult for us to even put

2207
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,280
any surveillance out of these out the

2208
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,320
cemetery around the airport because

2209
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:33,920
they're not going to look too kindly on

2210
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,470
uh and

2211
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:40,639
las gods is asking do you know anything

2212
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,600
about the van meter monster yes i do

2213
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,679
about that i was like a pterodactyl

2214
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:49,679
pterosaur type being

2215
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,600
that was seen in this town it was 1903

2216
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,440
i don't know but it was very

2217
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,080
about over 100 years ago in in a town by

2218
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:01,120
the name of van meter il iowa van meter

2219
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,400
iowa

2220
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:04,880
and uh it looked

2221
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,360
um chad lewis wrote an excellent book

2222
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,440
about it it's titled the van meter

2223
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,719
monster the van meter visitor excuse me

2224
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,560
yeah yeah i have it right here yeah

2225
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:16,800
excellent book and it's it's very

2226
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:18,159
interesting

2227
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:19,520
um

2228
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:20,480
there

2229
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,719
now i don't know but they from the

2230
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:26,480
description it seemed to be a

2231
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,080
pterosaur-like

2232
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:30,560
entity and quite frankly these

2233
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,880
pterodactyl pterosaur type flying beams

2234
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,199
are not unusual we do get sightings of

2235
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:39,120
these now yet

2236
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:41,199
that's crazy

2237
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,950
some friend of mine

2238
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,719
swears to me that there's

2239
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,199
an existing population of pterosaurs

2240
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,480
like in the rain forest or someplace and

2241
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:56,960
and that they survived somehow the the

2242
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,440
you know the dinosaur devastation and

2243
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:00,960
maybe they're smaller than they were

2244
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,280
back then but they're still around

2245
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,520
that that's crazy to think about

2246
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:07,760
yeah there's a um there have been

2247
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:11,600
sightings in uh papua new guinea

2248
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,960
of a a large pterosaur type being that

2249
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,880
they call the robin

2250
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,480
and uh

2251
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,639
there have been a lot of sightings of

2252
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:23,040
this thing and it does and they do seem

2253
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,400
to fly

2254
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,960
in flocks at some points and uh people

2255
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,639
have seen these things

2256
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,400
i have seen pictures of these things

2257
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,760
flying and they do they look like

2258
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,000
pterodactyls

2259
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:36,080
that's crazy yeah i've seen some

2260
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:37,679
pictures too and i went well that's

2261
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,440
something i can't explain

2262
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,360
you never know and lee guy with kylie

2263
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:43,360
jenner's 4.99 super chat thanks for your

2264
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,560
kindness your generosity and your

2265
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,880
support of the show lee he asks is there

2266
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,120
a map with all the mothman sightings

2267
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,679
pinned it would be kind of helpful if

2268
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,000
you go to my my website

2269
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,480
phantomsomemonsters.com

2270
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:58,800
and you click on

2271
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,760
uh either the link that that has the

2272
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,520
sightings listed

2273
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,920
or the interactive map

2274
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:06,800
uh

2275
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:07,600
link

2276
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,520
it'll take you to the map where i it

2277
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,199
will take you to the interactive google

2278
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,159
map where i put all the sightings on

2279
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,560
oh that's interesting yeah i'm trying to

2280
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,159
find it here come on

2281
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:20,080
let me get to your i'll share screen

2282
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,040
here

2283
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,600
share your website and and just again so

2284
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,360
uh people can kind of on the right hand

2285
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:28,239
side of the website if you do yeah

2286
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,719
we scroll right down there uh

2287
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:34,719
it'll say either interactive map or

2288
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,120
it'll have the chicago

2289
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,400
uh lake michigan mothman sightings you

2290
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,560
went right by you went by it it's up for

2291
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:44,800
oh i'm i'm sorry about that

2292
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,189
okay confidential donate to phantoms and

2293
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,679
monsters chicago lake michigan wins

2294
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:57,440
humanoid flying entities sightings and

2295
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,840
encounters this one

2296
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,400
yep

2297
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:02,400
if you scroll down there will be a link

2298
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:05,199
to the map i think you went by

2299
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:06,400
okay

2300
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:13,990
i'm pretty sure it's near the top

2301
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,709
oh yeah yeah yeah the second link there

2302
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,639
it says uh

2303
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:20,320
cryptid

2304
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,920
yeah that's it

2305
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,560
the second one interactive maps

2306
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,480
that's so funny that somebody asked and

2307
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,040
you actually did this yeah you have an

2308
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:34,560
interactive map of mothman sightings

2309
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:37,520
in this area that is crazy and we zoom

2310
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:38,719
out

2311
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:41,199
yeah all within you said it was a 250

2312
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,639
square mile area that all these

2313
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,960
sightings are yep

2314
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:47,280
wow look at all those sightings that is

2315
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,960
crazy that many bat wings being observed

2316
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:52,480
right and you have a breakdown when's

2317
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,080
humanoid observed

2318
01:29:04,229 --> 01:28:58,719
yeah that is crazy

2319
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,790
oh i'm sorry you know what uh it went to

2320
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,960
another page i'm not i'm looking at it

2321
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:10,639
but the audience is like what is he

2322
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,450
talking about

2323
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,960
[Laughter]

2324
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:14,719
sorry about that folks i didn't realize

2325
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:17,120
so here is the interactive map

2326
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,360
you could scroll out and see all these

2327
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:21,920
and they are all pins and they have what

2328
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:22,840
happened

2329
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,000
yeah report of a winged being

2330
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:28,080
we have to click on if you click on the

2331
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,040
pin

2332
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,800
uh it'll take you to the full

2333
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:32,560
description of the sighting and the the

2334
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:34,560
link oh that's interesting yeah october

2335
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:37,760
31st 2020 a group of friends and walking

2336
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,159
in see a pair of bright red eyes nearby

2337
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,239
bushes in a local state park when they

2338
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:43,920
investigate they hear a strange sound

2339
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,159
they observe a seven foot tall

2340
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,800
winged humanoid that ascends skyward

2341
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:50,800
that's crazy so you have descriptions of

2342
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,110
the link to the website too whereas the

2343
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,600
the actual description and uh the link

2344
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,520
yeah interesting

2345
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,840
yeah so if you guys are interested in

2346
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:05,760
hearing more about all of these

2347
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:08,320
encounters they're all detailed here and

2348
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,960
i will put i'm going to go on over to

2349
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,719
our live chat i'm putting the link to

2350
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:14,639
that interactive map in the live chat

2351
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:15,920
that's something that i would have fun

2352
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:18,000
with looking into all of that

2353
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,760
very very interesting but i wanted to

2354
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,840
see uh i could show you have some

2355
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:24,480
pictures of of the creature on your

2356
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,920
website

2357
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,880
um

2358
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,880
and and that's interesting as well see

2359
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:30,719
but you said that some sketches made up

2360
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,920
by some of the people who have done this

2361
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,840
that was one of the original sightings

2362
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:37,280
but i think that was actually a

2363
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,719
butterfly if i'd be honest with you

2364
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:41,920
at least

2365
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:43,280
yeah i was just about to say it looks

2366
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:45,040
like a moth or something yeah we're

2367
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,639
trying to figure out how that

2368
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:51,040
you know was even taken

2369
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:52,639
uh

2370
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,600
but

2371
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:55,520
i don't know it was it was taking

2372
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:57,040
all the

2373
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:02,159
reports uh of of things taken on on the

2374
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:07,189
they're listed there

2375
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:09,280
plus they're also listed at our team

2376
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:16,229
wow look at all these reports this is

2377
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:18,880
crazy that many reports of of winged

2378
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:21,120
humanoid

2379
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:23,199
just in the chicago land

2380
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:25,520
yeah imagine what what's going on all

2381
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,199
over the country right have you heard

2382
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:29,280
reports of that that's happening

2383
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,040
elsewhere or chicago really the

2384
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:33,840
epicenter well that's where most of the

2385
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:35,760
settings have but we've had we've had

2386
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:38,719
worldwide settings jesus never ends look

2387
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:45,189
yeah i love some of the artists

2388
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:47,280
depictions of this thing that is creepy

2389
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,960
as hell that's probably why i'm

2390
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:50,639
fascinated and and so many people are

2391
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:53,199
fascinated by it because it's just

2392
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:55,040
it's just bizarro that so many people

2393
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:57,040
are seeing this thing you know

2394
01:32:00,070 --> 01:31:58,320
there's got to be something to the

2395
01:32:01,350 --> 01:32:00,080
phenomenon if this many people are

2396
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:01,360
seeing that

2397
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,040
you know you would think

2398
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:05,600
all the owls yeah all the same

2399
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:09,280
descriptions same scenarios

2400
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:10,239
you know

2401
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,199
it it is and and that that that's why

2402
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:15,520
this is um

2403
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:17,280
this whole

2404
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,560
ordeal

2405
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:20,239
has uh

2406
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:24,000
has become so fascinating because of uh

2407
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:24,880
you know

2408
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:27,199
so many different people from different

2409
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,280
levels just reporting the same thing

2410
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:33,600
oh spooky with a great question asks is

2411
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:35,760
there a link between ufo sightings and

2412
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,239
mockman o'hair 2006 comes to mind so are

2413
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,080
people seeing ufos while they're seeing

2414
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:44,400
this thing yeah we've had two ufo

2415
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:46,159
sightings in association with these

2416
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:49,040
things yeah

2417
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:51,440
in fact we had one just a couple about

2418
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,239
four or five months ago security guard

2419
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:56,400
in the south part of the um

2420
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,520
the airport where they're doing

2421
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:59,120
construction

2422
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:01,360
he uh he had a

2423
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:05,120
he had a boomerang shaped ufo show up at

2424
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:09,199
the same time this wing bean did

2425
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:11,199
you know i i have a sort of a strange

2426
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:12,560
question that may

2427
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:15,280
not really be relevant but

2428
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,440
one question i wanted to ask you is

2429
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:18,960
in the areas where people are seeing

2430
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:20,000
this thing

2431
01:33:23,669 --> 01:33:21,280
have you

2432
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:23,679
like used a magnetometer to see if

2433
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:26,080
there's weird magnetic

2434
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:28,159
fields in the areas where people are

2435
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:30,159
seeing these things because

2436
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:32,239
some people one of my science-minded

2437
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:33,280
friends

2438
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,800
seems to believe and there's some

2439
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,960
supportive evidence in this that

2440
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:38,880
if there's strange magnetic fields

2441
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,280
people's brains can be affected and

2442
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:44,000
cause hallucinations or things like that

2443
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:44,960
have you

2444
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:47,199
done any like scientific used any kind

2445
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:49,440
of scientific measuring equipment to see

2446
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:52,560
if there's radiation or strange magnetic

2447
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:55,040
fields or or anything else that could be

2448
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,639
causing people to see

2449
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:58,560
you know when you use that type of

2450
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:01,040
equipment in an enclosed area like a

2451
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:02,639
home or something when you're looking

2452
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:04,639
for magnetic

2453
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:08,080
anomalies in a house or rf you know

2454
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:08,960
radio

2455
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,360
frequency fields

2456
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,360
it that can be discerned but when you're

2457
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,280
out in the open like that you're going

2458
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:17,199
to pick up a lot of stuff around that

2459
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:18,400
just may not

2460
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:19,280
be

2461
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:22,320
associated with phenomena itself

2462
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:23,760
um

2463
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,480
i mean if he had a huge

2464
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:28,560
you know a huge piece of equipment that

2465
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:29,360
could

2466
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:33,360
a certain location yeah i guess you

2467
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,440
could we just don't have it

2468
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:37,520
but uh yeah i think that would take some

2469
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:40,320
type of grade high grade

2470
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:41,440
uh

2471
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:43,520
magnetic

2472
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:44,960
field you know

2473
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:47,440
detector to be able to do that you know

2474
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,880
most of these settings have been out in

2475
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:50,960
the open and i don't know if there's

2476
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:51,920
really

2477
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,280
of uh

2478
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:58,080
of really measuring that you know we do

2479
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:59,520
have um

2480
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:02,159
we do have some indication

2481
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:03,760
that

2482
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:07,199
this this cemetery has uh lay line

2483
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:09,040
activity

2484
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,000
okay

2485
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:12,480
and that we might be able to pick up on

2486
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:15,119
that if that's the fact

2487
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,880
uh but

2488
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,560
you know there's a lot of uh there's a

2489
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,480
lot of theories about ley lines and i'm

2490
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:22,560
not really sure if that has much to do

2491
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:23,840
with this

2492
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,159
but you know chicago itself has a lot of

2493
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:29,040
ley lines i mean you know yeah

2494
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,520
you know from the lake on westward there

2495
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:33,840
are literally

2496
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:36,400
dozens and dozens and dozens of these

2497
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,000
these ley lines that extend out

2498
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,400
but we do know from looking at

2499
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,719
a lead line map which

2500
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:47,520
i i guess does offer some

2501
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:50,800
accuracy that there are three

2502
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,679
discernible ley lines at the location

2503
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,199
where a lot of these settings have been

2504
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:57,840
seen but we just haven't measured any of

2505
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,080
that as yet

2506
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:02,000
interesting and uh

2507
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,600
there's another theory that i've heard

2508
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:05,360
that this is some sort of a government

2509
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,360
experiment that escapes or something

2510
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,280
bobby dogstone is asking

2511
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:11,440
is there a weird facility of some kind

2512
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,840
in the epicenter of all these sightings

2513
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,119
well

2514
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:17,360
yeah there is uh

2515
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,199
i don't know if this is an explanation

2516
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:21,760
not the the fermi labs

2517
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,679
which is out in cook county which is

2518
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:26,400
outside of chicago it's in the suburbs

2519
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,679
uh has a particle accelerator and that's

2520
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:31,600
been there for about

2521
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:37,030
it's the oldest particle accelerator in

2522
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,960
the world quite honestly

2523
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:40,480
but

2524
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:43,280
it was determined or stated that

2525
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:45,040
approximately

2526
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,639
seven or eight years ago there was an

2527
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:48,000
accident there

2528
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:50,239
now to the extent of the accident i

2529
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:53,679
don't know what it caused or what it did

2530
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,000
did it open something up to these things

2531
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,719
are coming out i don't know but i know

2532
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:00,960
fermi i know fermilab started up the

2533
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,040
particle accelerator within the past

2534
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,280
couple years this thing looks like the

2535
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,360
start of a bad science fiction movie

2536
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:09,679
right here yeah i mean i don't know how

2537
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,280
much of that is really what's going on

2538
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,840
i have had people stake that place out

2539
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:17,920
in the past

2540
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:18,840
and

2541
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:21,520
uh a scary looking place this looks like

2542
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:22,639
a doctor

2543
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:24,480
this looks like the headquarters of like

2544
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,600
a super villain right like doctors

2545
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,400
or something that is weird place weird

2546
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,400
weird place

2547
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:34,080
and that's right near these sightings i

2548
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,070
25 30 miles from the area maybe they

2549
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:41,760
opened a portal by accident you're

2550
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:43,199
saying they had some kind of an accident

2551
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:44,080
there

2552
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:46,719
you know years ago the whole the whole

2553
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,400
cern particle accelerator theory

2554
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,400
does have possibilities

2555
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:54,560
you know of opening things up

2556
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,000
it is intended so i don't think so but

2557
01:38:02,950 --> 01:37:59,760
who knows looks even weirder on the

2558
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,960
inside of this thing look at this place

2559
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:05,119
that is an odd building that it looks

2560
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:08,560
like a super villain works there it is

2561
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:09,600
it looks like

2562
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,920
villain headquarters that's pretty crazy

2563
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:16,000
and funny but you know you're not sure

2564
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,440
you don't think there's any connection

2565
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:19,440
between this and i don't know i mean who

2566
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,760
knows i mean it could be

2567
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:23,520
i mean the fact that we were looking

2568
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,000
into it is you know just to the extent

2569
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:28,080
of what we've been looking into

2570
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,159
i mean there's you know we get all kinds

2571
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,080
of theories but we look at every one

2572
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:34,159
that we get and uh

2573
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:35,760
you know it's just another one on the

2574
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,679
pile

2575
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,239
interesting yeah

2576
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,040
yeah i i this this is another strange

2577
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:46,080
twist to the story this super this

2578
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:48,080
you know a particle accelerator being

2579
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,600
right nearby there because who knows

2580
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,119
what kind of experiments those people

2581
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,360
are doing cern's a little scary to me

2582
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:55,600
because then they say there's like well

2583
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:57,040
there's a one in a chance there's a one

2584
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:58,800
in a million chance that we'll open a

2585
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,639
black hole and destroy the universe if

2586
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:02,560
we run this experiment but it's a very

2587
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,960
small percentage you know it's a little

2588
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,480
scary that they're just like ah let's

2589
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,040
roll the dice you know

2590
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:12,400
we could destroy the universe

2591
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,639
i think some things men you know they

2592
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,400
rush into

2593
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,520
it's like

2594
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,880
just because you can do something

2595
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:20,239
doesn't mean you should do something

2596
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:21,760
because who knows

2597
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,189
you're like yeah with fire like i'll

2598
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,800
just smash these particles we might

2599
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,280
cause a black hole to uh you know suck

2600
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,760
the universe away but

2601
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,080
um and uh mark tarana is asking is there

2602
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,239
any large underground bodies of water in

2603
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,080
the areas of these sightings i'm not

2604
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:41,760
sure what the relevance of that is but

2605
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:44,239
well of course you've got lake michigan

2606
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:45,679
then

2607
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,480
uh

2608
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,560
chicago's got a lot of rivers

2609
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,440
there are some ponds and such but

2610
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,480
the ground the water level the

2611
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:56,880
groundwater level underneath the city is

2612
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:59,280
very high

2613
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,239
you know

2614
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,880
chicago is basically built

2615
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:04,960
on

2616
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:13,990
the

2617
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:16,239
a lot of infrastructure had to be put

2618
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:17,760
into it when they originally started

2619
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:22,470
i i think

2620
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:24,880
the area originally had a lot of swampy

2621
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:27,040
area a lot of water

2622
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:28,639
bogged area

2623
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:30,800
so the water the water table was pretty

2624
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,149
interesting i don't know if that if that

2625
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:38,880
can cause some kind of uh

2626
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,520
i don't know inter-dimensional rift or

2627
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,600
you know portal or i don't know you

2628
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:45,920
never know i don't know it's this is why

2629
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:47,520
this is an interesting topic because

2630
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:48,320
there's

2631
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,159
so many different mysterious things to

2632
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:52,239
think about and uh we don't have the

2633
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:54,239
answers right is what what is causing

2634
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:55,920
these sightings where are they from what

2635
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:58,159
are they doing here it's a great great

2636
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,520
enduring mystery and it's been going

2637
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:03,600
now do you believe that people have seen

2638
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:06,159
the mothman throughout history

2639
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,080
more than just the point pleasant

2640
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:09,840
sightings when it got popular

2641
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:12,159
popularized in popular culture

2642
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,960
yeah you know the wing humanoids for the

2643
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:16,560
most part have been seen throughout

2644
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,520
history there's some reference to them

2645
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:24,070
them looking like malls i don't know you

2646
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,800
know

2647
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,000
but

2648
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,320
as far as a human like figure humanoid

2649
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,639
life figure with wings yeah that's

2650
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,560
that's pretty well documented throughout

2651
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,320
history you know

2652
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,480
uh people have been talking about angels

2653
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,639
for forever and you know i don't know if

2654
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,480
that's what they're really seeing

2655
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,400
but there's been a lot of references to

2656
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,280
these type of beings

2657
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:47,280
interesting and spooky is asking have as

2658
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,880
long ever had a personal experience with

2659
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,719
the cryptid or ufo you mentioned that

2660
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,520
you saw two can you explain to us your

2661
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,760
sighting of you said you you saw a great

2662
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:57,600
creature maybe that's why you got so

2663
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:03,430
i think it has a

2664
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:09,040
i was pointed into the direction of this

2665
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:10,480
you know that's just personal feeling

2666
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,840
but anyway now in 1988 um i had

2667
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,480
been at an exposition in baltimore as a

2668
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,800
boy scout exposition actually in

2669
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,639
timonium fairgrounds a friend of mine

2670
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,719
who i went to school with and it was in

2671
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,320
boy scouts with

2672
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,760
you was there with his troop

2673
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,840
uh i hadn't seen this guy in about 12

2674
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:33,600
years but anyway

2675
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:37,040
we got uh talking and uh you know we sat

2676
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:39,280
down had some lunch and such and

2677
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,960
he was you know he had actually when he

2678
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,800
was a kid he and i used to hang out with

2679
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,119
gettysburg battlefield at night time you

2680
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,199
know used to camp out there so he's seen

2681
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,880
a lot of things yeah i actually i was

2682
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,480
going to mention that my dad was a blue

2683
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,480
scout master and we went to gettysburg a

2684
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:55,040
lot in camp daley yeah yeah i'm familiar

2685
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:56,400
with your area there

2686
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,719
so uh anyway um

2687
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:00,320
he told me he said well look he said i

2688
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,840
know you're into the paranormal stuff we

2689
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:03,600
got something going on out of camp

2690
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:06,080
conawago

2691
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,360
the troops

2692
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,360
have been out camping in the woods and

2693
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:11,760
this is around the late summer early

2694
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,639
fall when this was going on

2695
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,560
uh they've been camping out in the woods

2696
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,719
around the campground and uh they've

2697
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:21,520
been hearing these screams at night and

2698
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,040
been scaring them off they've been

2699
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:25,360
packing up and leaving

2700
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,480
so uh he said you know next weekend

2701
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,080
we're going up there would you like to

2702
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,800
come up i said yeah i'll come up so you

2703
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,360
know this is 1988 you know i didn't mind

2704
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:37,280
sleeping in a tent back then on the

2705
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,199
ground i wouldn't do it now because i'd

2706
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,560
never get up

2707
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,400
that's why i built a cabin i got tired

2708
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:44,800
of that yeah i built the cabin i'm gonna

2709
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,119
have a i'm gonna have a bed and a stove

2710
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:49,679
we got a microwave and an internet even

2711
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,679
you know so i'm done with

2712
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,760
i met him up there we trekked into the

2713
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:55,760
woods set up camp we had three separate

2714
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,600
tents and uh

2715
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,440
had a fire going and everything and we

2716
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:01,119
just sat around that evening that was a

2717
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,280
friday evening and we were just

2718
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,560
talking about this and that and very

2719
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:09,040
quiet night i i sense maybe something

2720
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:10,400
was once and you know you get that

2721
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,679
feeling like someone's watching but i

2722
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:13,600
don't really think much about it so

2723
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:16,000
the next day we got up and

2724
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:17,040
one thing

2725
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:19,119
the one guy was three of us

2726
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:21,760
my friend and a friend to his

2727
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,360
and um

2728
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,360
he said did you hear something walking

2729
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,600
around the campsite at night and yeah i

2730
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:29,040
did i mean i thought it was one of them

2731
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:30,400
getting up to relieve themselves or

2732
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,679
something in the middle of night i

2733
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,960
didn't think

2734
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,320
and nothing was disturbed at the

2735
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,719
campsite so we didn't you know we didn't

2736
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:38,639
think much of it

2737
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:39,920
so uh

2738
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:41,520
we we went out into the woods we

2739
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:44,000
explored everything we were gone about

2740
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:46,000
six hours i don't know how long how much

2741
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:48,239
we we hiked but we were out there a long

2742
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,280
time

2743
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,679
uh we got back to the campsite about six

2744
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:53,760
in the evening and just started cooking

2745
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,600
dinner and um

2746
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,920
you know we just spent the night

2747
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:59,520
talking sitting around the campfire

2748
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:01,040
talking football this and that and

2749
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,639
everything else and

2750
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:04,639
around 11 o'clock

2751
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,320
we heard this scream

2752
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:08,239
now

2753
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:09,520
it was

2754
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,719
somewhat

2755
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,639
far off but we heard it and i didn't

2756
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,840
know what it was i thought maybe about

2757
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,119
an animal or something because there's a

2758
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:17,199
lot of wildlife around there

2759
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:19,040
so i said okay you know i know what it

2760
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:20,880
was so about an

2761
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:24,480
about an hour or so later

2762
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,480
we heard it again but this time it

2763
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:29,199
sounded like a human scream sounded like

2764
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:30,960
a child screaming

2765
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:32,800
and it was kind of going in and out like

2766
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:35,440
this thing was flying

2767
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:37,360
so okay now we're getting a little

2768
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:39,119
concerned what was it what was that

2769
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:41,840
thing we didn't understand what we heard

2770
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:44,080
so we said well we're gonna stay up

2771
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:45,119
tonight

2772
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:47,679
and maybe this thing will show up

2773
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:48,639
okay

2774
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:50,560
so um

2775
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:52,080
we were sitting there about another half

2776
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,239
hour so so i got up stretched my legs

2777
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:56,239
and i was walking out around the

2778
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:57,600
campsite

2779
01:46:01,990 --> 01:45:59,920
and i had this strange feeling i said

2780
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:02,000
you know boy something something just

2781
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:03,440
doesn't feel right

2782
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,360
so i went back and i told him look let's

2783
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,280
grab the flashlights go on to the trail

2784
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:09,440
because the trail was right beside

2785
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:12,080
our campsite and the conewago creek was

2786
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:13,360
on the other side of the trail so we

2787
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,270
so we we were walking right behind each

2788
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:22,000
other up the trail didn't get more than

2789
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:25,040
50 foot away and we all saw this thing

2790
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:27,119
standing in the creek

2791
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:28,880
now the creek was very low this time of

2792
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:29,760
year

2793
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,880
and

2794
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,400
the moonlight was pretty bright that

2795
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:33,920
night so we could see pretty far off

2796
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:36,880
into the woods and into the creek

2797
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:39,440
but we saw these two bright red eyes

2798
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,719
looking at us

2799
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,560
and by the time we got the flashlights

2800
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,159
onto this thing

2801
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:46,400
this thing jettisoned into the air and

2802
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,320
it looked it you heard a verdict you

2803
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:50,639
heard a literal whooshing sound when it

2804
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,159
took off

2805
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:55,199
and as it got to its apex we heard it

2806
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:56,239
scream

2807
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,840
going away so you could hear it you know

2808
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:01,840
fading off

2809
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:04,960
so my buddy he was freaked i mean

2810
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,960
we got back to the campsite he was he

2811
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:08,560
wasn't talking

2812
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,960
pack up your stuff and go right yeah

2813
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:12,800
well the other guy he said did you

2814
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:15,440
notice anything on its back yeah i said

2815
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,199
i did i noticed something on its back

2816
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:19,920
and i figured was probably wings

2817
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,760
uh there was something

2818
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:24,080
some type of structure on his back

2819
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,400
so my buddy we asked him what he thought

2820
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:28,639
he said well i'm not staying here i'm

2821
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,320
going up the administration building to

2822
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:32,639
sleep up there tonight

2823
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:35,040
yeah him and uh him and his buddy they

2824
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:36,719
went up there and stayed i stayed down

2825
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,239
at the campsite i wanted to see this

2826
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:40,400
thing but it was quite the rest of the

2827
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:41,520
night

2828
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:48,950
i started the blog in 2005 and then i

2829
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:50,400
posted this thing about

2830
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:52,320
three years later about what i had

2831
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,560
experienced and only a few people knew

2832
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:56,480
about it so i

2833
01:48:01,990 --> 01:47:59,119
i posted on the blog

2834
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,000
and very quickly i got a response from a

2835
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,400
guy who lived nearby the campsite the

2836
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,840
the campgrounds he said i've been

2837
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:07,520
hearing that screaming sound for 20

2838
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,040
years now i had no idea what it was

2839
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:13,440
uh okay well i don't know what it was

2840
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:15,360
either but you know

2841
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,800
i told him what you know of course he

2842
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,480
read what i saw

2843
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:19,600
then

2844
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:20,560
about a

2845
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:23,040
couple weeks later i got another email

2846
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:25,360
from a scout master

2847
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:27,520
who told me he said you know

2848
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:28,639
my

2849
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,040
in the woods camping

2850
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:35,679
one you know it was very recent and uh

2851
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,360
he he said the boys went up on the trail

2852
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,360
and they came running back scared to

2853
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:44,000
death and said we saw a dragon that's

2854
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:46,639
what they described as a dragon oh wow

2855
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:48,000
and he thought they were pulling their

2856
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:49,840
his leg you know they thought

2857
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:51,520
so he didn't really take him too serious

2858
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:53,199
though they were upset

2859
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,040
so now he said since i read what you saw

2860
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:59,840
maybe they did see something so

2861
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:01,440
anyway

2862
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,000
over the years since i posted i've had

2863
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,320
five more siding reports

2864
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,480
along the conewago creek now that creek

2865
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,320
kind of runs west

2866
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,159
and then curls around and heads back

2867
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,320
towards the susquehanna

2868
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:16,239
and that's where it empties into but

2869
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,000
along that route there have been five

2870
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:20,639
more sightings of this uh this this red

2871
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,000
eyed creature

2872
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,159
and um

2873
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,880
and in fact there was a newspaper

2874
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,800
article in the local paper

2875
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,639
about 10 years ago and people are

2876
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,960
starting to call old red eye now

2877
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,080
so

2878
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:36,239
i don't know i get i guess

2879
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,800
it it's got a it's oh and it's starting

2880
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:39,840
down there

2881
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:46,629
the way it looked to me was very similar

2882
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:47,840
to what the people have been seeing in

2883
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:50,080
chicago now is the same type of being i

2884
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:51,360
don't know

2885
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,280
um

2886
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:55,280
one of the girls

2887
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:58,639
ladies who is is on the team

2888
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,040
said that she was told that my encounter

2889
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:03,360
was the same type of being and came from

2890
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,280
the same place these other things did in

2891
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,880
chicago

2892
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,480
i don't know how true that is i mean

2893
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,800
she's very forthright

2894
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:12,880
and uh i i think

2895
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,880
if they told her that that she's telling

2896
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:17,199
the truth to me telling me the truth

2897
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,679
so maybe i've been destined to to work

2898
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:22,239
on the chicago side i don't know

2899
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,719
as freak as that sounds it may very well

2900
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:26,159
be

2901
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:34,480
i need a good journalist that is gonna

2902
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:37,920
go investigate me and yeah you never

2903
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:40,320
know but listen i i we're approaching

2904
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:41,679
two hours so i don't want to keep you

2905
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,520
too too long here i want to thank you

2906
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:45,520
for taking the time i'm always happy

2907
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,199
when we can get an expert on these

2908
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,440
issues to come here and help us maybe

2909
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,199
shed some light on what has been an

2910
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,920
enduring mystery for so long well

2911
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:56,159
there's there's no experts in this field

2912
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,239
but i'm glad to help and

2913
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,560
to disclose what i can

2914
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:02,400
yes and i mentioned to everybody that

2915
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:03,920
there's a link in the description of the

2916
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,159
video so you can get lon's books i'm

2917
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:08,880
gonna buy a couple myself i have one of

2918
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,280
his books on aliens but not all the

2919
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,159
other ones a pretty prolific author so

2920
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:16,159
please do support our guests and go and

2921
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,320
uh and check out his books i sure

2922
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,480
enjoyed his alien book so i'm sure that

2923
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,400
you'll enjoy all of his books

2924
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:24,000
and uh hopefully you'll come back maybe

2925
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:25,599
we can come back and talk bigfoot or

2926
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,800
aliens or something at any time

2927
01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:30,800
all right well thank you for doing this

2928
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:32,840
i appreciate it you have a great evening

2929
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:35,920
mr okay all right bye-bye

2930
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:37,920
all right friends well what an amazing

2931
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:40,239
uh what an amazing talk on an amazing

2932
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,360
topic this is something i've been

2933
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,239
interested in for so long uh i love the

2934
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:46,800
story of mothman because it's such an

2935
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,119
incredible mystery what is this thing

2936
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:50,960
what is it doing here and look at that

2937
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,679
chicago map there's 150 people seeing

2938
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,320
these things that's crazy

2939
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,080
um

2940
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,719
an enduring mystery will endure right

2941
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:03,199
but i'm hopeful that someday uh we'll

2942
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:05,119
still be able to get some answers about

2943
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:07,119
this thing right

2944
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,840
i'm hopeful that someday we'll be able

2945
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:11,920
to solve the mystery of the mysterious

2946
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:14,239
month man and until that happens i'll be

2947
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,199
reading

2948
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:17,840
new reports or new books on the subject

2949
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,400
if there's new sightings and by the way

2950
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,880
i happen to be in pennsylvania and uh

2951
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:24,639
according to mr strickler here there's a

2952
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:27,440
hot spot not far from my home maybe a

2953
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:30,880
few hours drive so we may do a uh a road

2954
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,679
trip to that creek and see if we see

2955
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,440
anything maybe i'll do a camping trip

2956
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,599
and we'll see what we see

2957
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:39,840
um i'd like that and i could take you

2958
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,520
guys along with me i have a bunch of

2959
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:43,520
cameras and things like that

2960
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:45,280
um yeah that's something i'm going to

2961
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:46,800
put on my list of things to do this

2962
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:48,239
summer

2963
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:49,520
now uh

2964
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,960
i want to remind you there's a few ways

2965
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:52,239
that you could support our show where a

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2968
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:57,840
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2969
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:58,960
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2970
01:53:02,149 --> 01:53:00,159
distracting when you're trying to

2971
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,159
interview somebody so what we're gonna

2972
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:04,080
do is i'm gonna we're gonna take a short

2973
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:05,599
musical break and when we come back i'm

2974
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:08,080
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3020
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:49,840
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3021
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:52,159
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3022
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:54,960
break and when we return i will be

3023
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,760
reading every single super chat uh even

3024
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:59,119
if i've already read them we'll read

3025
01:55:01,669 --> 01:55:00,560
them all again just to make sure i got

3026
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:01,679
them all

3027
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,400
and uh any paypal donations we will be

3028
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,159
reading as well and then we'll just have

3029
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:08,719
uh some time for the live chat

3030
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:09,599
um

3031
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,440
rogue status says i'm down let's take a

3032
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:13,679
trip you're you're hired you're gonna

3033
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:15,440
you're you're welcome to come with me

3034
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,000
bro status is right near me so i think

3035
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,000
that sounds like a fun trip broke status

3036
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,320
we'll get some beer and uh maybe find

3037
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:24,320
some pizza

3038
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:26,320
yeah supplies and we'll go look for

3039
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:28,080
mothman i'm already gonna go look for

3040
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:30,480
bigfoot this summer so why not go look

3041
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:32,719
for mothman as well thank you for

3042
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:34,080
kindness your generosity and your

3043
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:35,520
support of the show rogue status for

3044
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:36,960
once you didn't bust my balls when he

3045
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,599
said a super chat

3046
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,960
so here's what we're going to do we're

3047
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,560
going to take a short musical break and

3048
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:44,080
when we return we're going to read each

3049
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,679
and every single super chat make sure we

3050
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,760
got them all and i will devote my full

3051
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:50,000
and total attention to the live chat we

3052
01:55:55,570 --> 01:56:04,390
[Music]

3053
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:09,620
so

3054
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:19,370
[Music]

3055
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:27,520
every thought got lost in the

3056
01:56:55,119 --> 01:57:04,810
me is

3057
01:57:04,820 --> 01:57:20,229
[Music]

3058
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:43,189
i think it's time because it's cold

3059
01:58:13,740 --> 01:57:58,470
is

3060
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:23,030
[Music]

3061
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:48,070
is

3062
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:53,310
yes

3063
01:59:09,950 --> 01:58:59,450
[Music]

3064
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:09,960
and we are back friends uh greetings and

3065
01:59:14,310 --> 01:59:12,639
salutations uh i want to thank all of

3066
01:59:15,270 --> 01:59:14,320
the kind and generous

3067
01:59:16,870 --> 01:59:15,280
uh

3068
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,880
super chatters tonight we're gonna check

3069
01:59:21,270 --> 01:59:18,080
in with that

3070
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:21,280
and see if we can not uh read them all

3071
01:59:25,589 --> 01:59:23,119
again sometimes i miss one it's very

3072
01:59:27,750 --> 01:59:25,599
important to us here that we read every

3073
01:59:28,790 --> 01:59:27,760
single super chat and thank every single

3074
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:28,800
person

3075
01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:31,119
uh who is of course helping us to

3076
01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:34,000
continue our journey here on the show uh

3077
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:36,560
you guys all give me an attitude of

3078
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:38,719
gratitude and i really appreciate your

3079
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:39,760
support

3080
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:43,599
let me uh check in with the

3081
01:59:46,709 --> 01:59:45,040
super chats and we're also going to

3082
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:46,719
check in with the paypal

3083
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:49,199
donators uh warms my heart there's

3084
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:50,719
people all over the world throwing a few

3085
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:52,320
bucks in our hat and helping us to

3086
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:55,440
continue this journey um really really

3087
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:56,960
thank you very much

3088
02:00:01,750 --> 01:59:59,760
uh for your kindness your generosity and

3089
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:01,760
your support of the show so i'm checking

3090
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:03,840
the the paypal donators i don't see any

3091
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,560
new ones though spreaker just paid us so

3092
02:00:10,229 --> 02:00:08,400
praise the cash for that

3093
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:10,239
um i don't know what it is about

3094
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:12,880
spreaker but something about spreaker

3095
02:00:18,070 --> 02:00:15,360
annoys me because

3096
02:00:19,990 --> 02:00:18,080
they pay in like 120 days or something

3097
02:00:23,030 --> 02:00:20,000
like that so

3098
02:00:25,430 --> 02:00:23,040
i'm getting paid from like

3099
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:25,440
october or something now they take

3100
02:00:29,910 --> 02:00:27,360
forever to pay us

3101
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:29,920
um but hey money's money if it comes

3102
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:32,560
slow at least it's still money so i

3103
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:34,480
guess i shouldn't complain

3104
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:36,320
we'll go over and check the super chats

3105
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:38,960
now and

3106
02:00:42,310 --> 02:00:41,040
i'll make sure that we read every single

3107
02:00:43,189 --> 02:00:42,320
one i'm just going to run through them

3108
02:00:44,870 --> 02:00:43,199
again

3109
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:44,880
because we got a whole bunch of them

3110
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:47,760
tonight and i do not want to miss a

3111
02:00:52,830 --> 02:00:49,360
single super chat

3112
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:52,840
so one second i'm going to share this

3113
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:56,480
uh super chat breakdown so rogue status

3114
02:01:00,149 --> 02:00:58,560
uh uh well we'll start from the bottom

3115
02:01:02,229 --> 02:01:00,159
then

3116
02:01:05,030 --> 02:01:02,239
okay so for tonight we had sid fish was

3117
02:01:07,830 --> 02:01:05,040
a kind and generous uh norwegian crowns

3118
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:07,840
200 norwegian crowns wow thank you so

3119
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:09,679
generous of you says just because i have

3120
02:01:14,950 --> 02:01:12,480
not fallen asleep yet give carrie a

3121
02:01:17,109 --> 02:01:14,960
fiber i'll do that stephanie jackson

3122
02:01:18,790 --> 02:01:17,119
says steven cambion you gotta do a photo

3123
02:01:20,550 --> 02:01:18,800
shoot i don't think anybody wants to see

3124
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:20,560
me do a photo shoot but thank you for

3125
02:01:24,629 --> 02:01:22,239
your kindness your generosity and your

3126
02:01:25,990 --> 02:01:24,639
support stephanie jackson jesse singer

3127
02:01:28,229 --> 02:01:26,000
of the kind and generous five dollar

3128
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:28,239
super chat says thanks for a great week

3129
02:01:33,030 --> 02:01:30,239
of content stephen yeah it's been a fun

3130
02:01:35,589 --> 02:01:33,040
week we're really uh i'm really enjoying

3131
02:01:37,669 --> 02:01:35,599
myself this week area 503 kind of

3132
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:37,679
generous five dollar three cents that's

3133
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:40,480
kind of his thing 503

3134
02:01:43,350 --> 02:01:41,760
says thanks for the interesting

3135
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:43,360
conversation you two i love getting

3136
02:01:47,910 --> 02:01:45,599
multiple views and opinions

3137
02:01:49,910 --> 02:01:47,920
and lee guy asked about a map with all

3138
02:01:51,750 --> 02:01:49,920
the mothman sightings pinned and i

3139
02:01:54,229 --> 02:01:51,760
couldn't believe that la he asked that

3140
02:01:55,910 --> 02:01:54,239
question i couldn't i asked lon and i

3141
02:01:57,830 --> 02:01:55,920
couldn't believe what lon has which is

3142
02:02:00,149 --> 02:01:57,840
an interactive map

3143
02:02:01,830 --> 02:02:00,159
on google maps of all of the sightings

3144
02:02:03,910 --> 02:02:01,840
amazing question thank you for your

3145
02:02:06,470 --> 02:02:03,920
continued support and kindness and

3146
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:06,480
generosity to the show lee guy

3147
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:08,960
the bacon guy

3148
02:02:12,229 --> 02:02:10,960
andy kurtz kind of generous 4.99 have

3149
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:12,239
you heard of the pyramid in lake

3150
02:02:17,669 --> 02:02:15,040
michigan strange electro manifestations

3151
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:17,679
compass etc

3152
02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:19,199
andy kurtz i'm going to put that on my

3153
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:20,960
list of things to look into and i'm

3154
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:22,800
sorry if we missed your

3155
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:24,880
chat during the interview maybe you

3156
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:26,880
wanted to ask law on that i will email

3157
02:02:32,149 --> 02:02:29,119
him your question and see what he says

3158
02:02:34,709 --> 02:02:32,159
and report back to you uh if i get an

3159
02:02:36,310 --> 02:02:34,719
answer from him about that caleb foster

3160
02:02:38,390 --> 02:02:36,320
the kind of generous five dollars says

3161
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:38,400
love the shirt love the show keep on

3162
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:40,320
keeping on stephen thank you very much

3163
02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:42,080
and rogue status finally with a five

3164
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,560
dollar super chat saying i'm down let's

3165
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:46,719
take a trip he's in trouble now because

3166
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:48,880
now he's on the hook he's got to go look

3167
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:52,000
for mothman with me right he's got to go

3168
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:54,880
look for mothman with me

3169
02:03:01,589 --> 02:02:58,639
so uh what we're going to do now is uh

3170
02:03:03,270 --> 02:03:01,599
i'm trying to pop this out there we go

3171
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:03,280
i'm gonna pop out the chat we're gonna

3172
02:03:08,709 --> 02:03:05,599
share the live chat i'll take comments

3173
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:08,719
questions suggestions for future shows

3174
02:03:13,589 --> 02:03:11,360
uh and interact with you guys here in

3175
02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:13,599
the live chat let me get the we'll get

3176
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:17,040
the chat up on our screen here

3177
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:22,149
so uh questions or comments for me

3178
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:24,800
please put them in all caps

3179
02:03:28,629 --> 02:03:26,800
lord ludacris platz has been a good week

3180
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:28,639
of fun with interesting topics and

3181
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:31,360
fantastic conversations yeah this is

3182
02:03:36,149 --> 02:03:34,000
this is exactly why i started a show uh

3183
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,159
lord ludacris because if i have an

3184
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:38,560
intense interest in a subject

3185
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:41,199
like let's say for example mothman

3186
02:03:45,109 --> 02:03:43,280
i mean if i didn't have a show i can't

3187
02:03:47,270 --> 02:03:45,119
just call up some of the

3188
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:47,280
authors and experts on the mothman and

3189
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:49,440
pick their brain for two hours

3190
02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:50,880
but this show

3191
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:52,880
you know the microphone here is my

3192
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:55,199
passport it gives me a passport into

3193
02:04:01,270 --> 02:03:58,800
these people's worlds right it lets me

3194
02:04:03,589 --> 02:04:01,280
have access to some of these experts and

3195
02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:03,599
it also lets me take you all with me

3196
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,280
which i'm pleased to do

3197
02:04:10,229 --> 02:04:07,760
uh you all get to come here on uh on a

3198
02:04:11,669 --> 02:04:10,239
journey rogue status says i saw a big

3199
02:04:13,589 --> 02:04:11,679
ass wolf in the poconos when i was

3200
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:13,599
little but officially no wolves in pa

3201
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:16,800
then uh yeah rogue status there's huge

3202
02:04:21,669 --> 02:04:19,199
huge

3203
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:21,679
coyotes they're not wolves but they're

3204
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,639
coyotes near my cabin but they're too

3205
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:26,560
big to be coyotes they look like wolves

3206
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,599
to me

3207
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:30,159
and uh a park ranger i asked him about

3208
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:32,320
this there's a state park right next to

3209
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:35,760
the cabin and i saw a guy and uh

3210
02:04:40,069 --> 02:04:37,920
you know one of the park rangers and

3211
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:40,079
they deal with the wildlife so i i went

3212
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:42,400
over to him and i said excuse me i keep

3213
02:04:46,149 --> 02:04:44,719
seeing these huge they look like wolves

3214
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:46,159
but there's not supposed to be wolves

3215
02:04:49,109 --> 02:04:47,840
here is there and he said no those are

3216
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:49,119
coyotes

3217
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,400
but

3218
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:53,280
they may have interbred with either

3219
02:04:59,510 --> 02:04:56,560
wolves or with domestic bigger you know

3220
02:05:01,990 --> 02:04:59,520
like a big species of domesticated dog

3221
02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:02,000
which causes them to be huge

3222
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:03,119
i've seen

3223
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:05,520
regular sized coyotes these things near

3224
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:07,679
my cabin look like wolves to me they

3225
02:05:11,669 --> 02:05:09,679
look like gray wolves they're huge

3226
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:11,679
um so maybe that's what you saw rogue

3227
02:05:15,669 --> 02:05:13,599
status is a coyote that interbred

3228
02:05:17,669 --> 02:05:15,679
somehow with one of these uh other

3229
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:17,679
species in the area

3230
02:05:21,589 --> 02:05:20,159
and that's what causes them to be so big

3231
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:21,599
at least that's what the park ranger

3232
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:22,560
told me

3233
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:31,589
one second here

3234
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:34,800
oh the midnight hour uh at 10 p.m

3235
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:36,400
eastern standard time yeah i almost

3236
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:38,400
forgot and yeah i gotta do that like

3237
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:39,520
right now

3238
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:41,599
is it in the did you put it in the drive

3239
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:43,280
uh spooky for me

3240
02:05:46,830 --> 02:05:45,599
poor spooky i'm such a terrible show

3241
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:46,840
host i'm

3242
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:50,320
like i have to give spooky admin access

3243
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:51,360
because

3244
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,440
here's what happened just so everybody

3245
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:56,239
understands i i i keep doing the same

3246
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:58,639
thing i say to myself

3247
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:00,719
don't book a guest on thursday because

3248
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:03,360
we do the midnight hour on thursdays

3249
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:06,800
uh but then i forget or the guest says i

3250
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:08,719
could do thursday at 7 00 p.m not

3251
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:10,800
wednesday and i go okay

3252
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:12,400
and then i forget

3253
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:15,440
we have the the midnight hour tonight

3254
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:17,920
so um

3255
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:19,920
i still have to upload the the midnight

3256
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:21,440
hour episode

3257
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:24,480
we had 15 with stephen best 16 is bob

3258
02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:30,550
what's the next one spooky

3259
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:32,079
oh no you gave me a link to it on

3260
02:06:35,990 --> 02:06:34,719
facebook yeah so bad show host i'm gonna

3261
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:36,000
post a link

3262
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:37,920
i'll try to get it uploaded right now

3263
02:06:42,870 --> 02:06:40,400
before i forget because uh we were gonna

3264
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:42,880
do it at 10 pm

3265
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,270
i think oh you put it on your own drive

3266
02:07:02,470 --> 02:06:55,760
the appetite for disclosure that's what

3267
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,390
no i'm gonna have to do this

3268
02:07:08,149 --> 02:07:06,400
i'm gonna have to do this off air

3269
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:08,159
because it's not let me download it

3270
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:14,950
it's letting me look at it

3271
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:16,480
yeah i don't know if you didn't put it

3272
02:07:21,199 --> 02:07:24,870
uh

3273
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:27,669
yeah we'll figure this out off here then

3274
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:30,079
so i i got it bolt then because we got

3275
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:32,800
to get that next thing up

3276
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:33,840
uh and

3277
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:37,280
spooky says steven set it up

3278
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:45,430
yeah tonight is the appetite for

3279
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:47,360
disclosure with stephen campion that's

3280
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:49,840
the episode it's a monologue about the

3281
02:07:53,669 --> 02:07:51,760
tremendous appetite that people have for

3282
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:53,679
disclosure and what problems that could

3283
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:55,679
create right

3284
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:56,560
uh

3285
02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:04,390
let's see

3286
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:06,950
oh wait it is here i'm stupid i'm sorry

3287
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:08,400
spooky

3288
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:12,800
that i have terrible vision so sometimes

3289
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:13,840
i'm looking

3290
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,239
i was literally looking right at it and

3291
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:18,560
i didn't see it i apologize spooky it's

3292
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:19,760
right there in the folder where it's

3293
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:21,520
supposed to be

3294
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:22,800
it's good thing i didn't start cursing

3295
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:24,719
your way out for putting it someplace

3296
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:27,280
the wrong place right

3297
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:29,040
yeah so this episode is one of my

3298
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:30,719
favorites it's called the appetite for

3299
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,199
disclosure and it happened because a

3300
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:35,199
guest canceled at me ten minutes

3301
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:36,960
cancelled on me

3302
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:39,679
10 minutes yeah i know she now spooky's

3303
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:41,199
messaging me it's in the folder what the

3304
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:43,199
[\h__\h]

3305
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,520
no it's there i'm getting it right now i

3306
02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:47,280
got the thumbnail i'm downloading the

3307
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:49,119
video right now i'll put it up as soon

3308
02:08:52,229 --> 02:08:50,639
as possible

3309
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:52,239
you can i told you gotta remember that

3310
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:55,199
i'm half i'm literally half blind spooky

3311
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:57,920
okay so if i don't see it it's not cuz

3312
02:09:02,550 --> 02:09:00,719
i'm stupid it's because i'm half blind

3313
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:02,560
right

3314
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:04,400
try to remember me have one

3315
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:07,040
okay do the best i can here

3316
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,719
you know

3317
02:09:11,669 --> 02:09:10,159
it's it's either this or i'm going to be

3318
02:09:13,510 --> 02:09:11,679
standing on a street corner selling

3319
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:13,520
pencils spooky

3320
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,400
that's that's where we're at

3321
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:19,040
spooky said i was like what did i do

3322
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:24,950
yeah so any more comments or questions

3323
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:27,040
for me please put them in the live chat

3324
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:29,440
i'm going over there to uh to youtube

3325
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:31,119
right now to upload the midnight hour

3326
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:33,280
we're going to do that at 10 pm eastern

3327
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:34,800
standard time

3328
02:09:38,229 --> 02:09:36,320
so you're welcome to come back for a

3329
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:38,239
double shot uh we weren't going to skip

3330
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:39,760
this week but

3331
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:41,760
to be very honest these midnight hours

3332
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:44,719
show episodes help us to pad the numbers

3333
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:47,199
so it gets us some extra

3334
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:49,360
um some extra views every week and we

3335
02:09:52,629 --> 02:09:51,040
don't want to not do that this week the

3336
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:52,639
views may jet

3337
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:54,159
i'm looking at these numbers like a

3338
02:09:59,030 --> 02:09:55,920
crackhead every five minutes sometimes

3339
02:10:01,510 --> 02:09:59,040
going oh no engagement's down oh no the

3340
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:01,520
numbers are down you know how do we fix

3341
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:03,840
this you know al warrior the kind and

3342
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:06,480
generous three dollars says good evening

3343
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,639
sorry i'm late to the show that's okay i

3344
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:10,480
worry we're just glad you're here but

3345
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:12,960
could i get you anything like a watch

3346
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:14,480
maybe

3347
02:10:17,910 --> 02:10:16,159
no we're glad you're here late or not

3348
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:17,920
we're glad you're here always glad to

3349
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,719
see al warrior a long time supporter of

3350
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:22,480
the show

3351
02:10:25,830 --> 02:10:24,159
rogue status any interest in looking

3352
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:25,840
into the dog man

3353
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:28,400
uh sure you know i think we should get

3354
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,480
some like uh

3355
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:32,880
we should get some like pupperoni right

3356
02:10:37,270 --> 02:10:35,360
and those bacon treats for dogs and go

3357
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:37,280
looking for dog man that'll be fun rogue

3358
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:45,430
we could do that

3359
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:47,589
spooky says i make steven work hard guys

3360
02:10:50,709 --> 02:10:49,199
sorry i'll come some slack i know

3361
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:50,719
spooky's always like why don't you do an

3362
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:52,480
extra stream tonight

3363
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:54,000
because like sometimes we'll have

3364
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:55,440
finished the show for the day but then

3365
02:10:58,470 --> 02:10:56,800
something happens

3366
02:11:01,589 --> 02:10:58,480
you know like well i'm doing that do an

3367
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:01,599
extra show go live right now like

3368
02:11:06,629 --> 02:11:04,079
come and guest on my show right spooky's

3369
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:06,639
got our own over there co-hosting uh

3370
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:08,880
butt stuff with bj's

3371
02:11:13,430 --> 02:11:11,920
that's the pinnacle of the fun right ash

3372
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:13,440
jobs is here the kind and generous five

3373
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:15,760
dollars saying thanks for the show night

3374
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:17,040
all thank you for kindness your

3375
02:11:23,189 --> 02:11:20,079
generosity and your support of the show

3376
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:25,270
moonlick has the room going mute or did

3377
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:27,679
i black out again

3378
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:28,880
i don't know what's going on in

3379
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:31,199
moonlick's life but uh he's having a

3380
02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:37,990
and spooky says not just butt stuff yeah

3381
02:11:40,310 --> 02:11:39,119
well uh

3382
02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:40,320
but yeah

3383
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:41,440
what are you what else are you doing

3384
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:43,440
you're doing this out of context cw and

3385
02:12:01,430 --> 02:11:52,950
today one of three

3386
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:04,069
walter corbin says nothing setting

3387
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:06,639
here doing time card for next week well

3388
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,239
i'm glad that you could uh listen to us

3389
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:10,960
while you work right that's a good thing

3390
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:14,960
podcasts and talk radio kept me alive

3391
02:12:19,350 --> 02:12:17,360
in my last corporate job right it was i

3392
02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:19,360
had to listen to something to avoid

3393
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:21,599
blowing my brains out at my desk

3394
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:23,760
so uh

3395
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:25,760
for me that was a lot of uh

3396
02:12:30,629 --> 02:12:28,239
a lot of uh

3397
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:30,639
talk radio kept me sane

3398
02:12:34,149 --> 02:12:32,000
you can't just sit there at that desk

3399
02:12:46,390 --> 02:12:34,159
all day you want to blow your brains out

3400
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:48,709
mark robertson is here and says uh just

3401
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:51,920
in hi at all good to see you here good

3402
02:13:02,149 --> 02:13:00,310
at warrior woke up from a nap

3403
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:02,159
you were sleeping instead of watching my

3404
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:04,400
show i'm very disappointed in you al

3405
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:06,960
warrior you should nap after you watch

3406
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:08,159
my show

3407
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:10,079
right we need all the listens we could

3408
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:14,550
where will you do the midnight hour

3409
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:17,840
aaron flores it'll be right here on um

3410
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:20,880
it'll be right here on this channel but

3411
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:23,440
i'll post it to facebook as well i know

3412
02:13:28,149 --> 02:13:26,000
aaron uh is sometimes in the

3413
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:28,159
facebook comments watching on facebook

3414
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:29,520
live so

3415
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:31,920
uh we'll be doing oh no it won't be on

3416
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:33,760
facebook live but i'll post the youtube

3417
02:13:37,189 --> 02:13:35,520
link on facebook so that you're sure to

3418
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:37,199
be able to get it

3419
02:13:39,830 --> 02:13:38,320
uh

3420
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:39,840
yeah the midnight hour tonight the

3421
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:41,360
midnight hour show will actually be at

3422
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:43,199
10 p.m because i don't want to stay up

3423
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:45,280
till 2 a.m tonight so we're doing it at

3424
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:46,480
10 p.m

3425
02:13:49,589 --> 02:13:48,159
and uh you're welcome to come here i'm

3426
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:49,599
going to be in the live chat i'll be

3427
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:51,040
doing some other work but i'll be paying

3428
02:13:55,189 --> 02:13:53,520
attention to the live chat

3429
02:13:56,950 --> 02:13:55,199
it's the sixth sense says i still to

3430
02:13:58,229 --> 02:13:56,960
this day listen to talk radio to put me

3431
02:14:00,629 --> 02:13:58,239
to sleep there's something about it

3432
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,639
that's exactly what i do i cannot fall

3433
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:02,400
asleep without some kind of noise going

3434
02:14:09,430 --> 02:14:05,360
on or something to distract my brain

3435
02:14:13,030 --> 02:14:11,270
walter corbin says blow my brains out at

3436
02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:13,040
home i work from home all right then

3437
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:14,880
don't blow your brains down at home you

3438
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:17,679
know wait yeah that would be bad

3439
02:14:21,350 --> 02:14:18,800
right

3440
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:21,360
so i guess what we're going to do is uh

3441
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:23,760
i just finished downloading the episode

3442
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:24,800
of

3443
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:26,719
the midnight hour and now i have to

3444
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:28,320
upload it so

3445
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:30,480
uh i'm gonna bounce on out of here and

3446
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:32,320
take a short break i still haven't eaten

3447
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:33,679
anything today

3448
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,239
um and i'm getting angry right getting a

3449
02:14:40,229 --> 02:14:38,320
little a little bit angry

3450
02:14:43,109 --> 02:14:40,239
so uh

3451
02:14:45,030 --> 02:14:43,119
i have a delicious dinner waiting for me

3452
02:14:47,589 --> 02:14:45,040
mahi mahi

3453
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:47,599
which i don't get to eat very much i

3454
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:49,760
don't know especially with these supply

3455
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:51,280
chain issues

3456
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:53,840
that you know foods that you like like i

3457
02:14:58,950 --> 02:14:56,239
don't know chicken

3458
02:15:01,750 --> 02:14:58,960
or certain kinds of fish are becoming

3459
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:01,760
impossible to find right

3460
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:04,159
it's it's really crazy

3461
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:05,280
so

3462
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:07,440
uh spooky's ask me about tomorrow's show

3463
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:09,040
i'll talk to you about that off air

3464
02:15:14,069 --> 02:15:11,679
spooky there's still uh

3465
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:14,079
it's things are in flux that's all i

3466
02:15:18,069 --> 02:15:16,159
could say things are definitely in flux

3467
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:18,079
but we're working on that

3468
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:19,760
so i'm gonna bounce on out of here we're

3469
02:15:24,310 --> 02:15:22,239
gonna get this uh we're gonna get this

3470
02:15:26,470 --> 02:15:24,320
midnight hour show uploaded and ready

3471
02:15:28,629 --> 02:15:26,480
for you guys i will be in the live chat

3472
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:28,639
it's 10 p.m eastern standard time so you

3473
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:30,320
all get a short break if you want to

3474
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:32,560
have a double shot of me

3475
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:33,599
um

3476
02:15:38,229 --> 02:15:34,800
who would have known that i would be

3477
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:38,239
that popular right i'm not

3478
02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:40,560
so uh yeah we shouldn't do two in one

3479
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,159
day but we're going to today because uh

3480
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,800
reasons right

3481
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:48,719
bobby dogstone says i just started a

3482
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:50,639
twitter account to get your show yeah

3483
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:53,040
well you can hit the notification bell

3484
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:54,880
but a lot of people don't get the

3485
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:57,199
notices even when they hit the

3486
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:58,960
notification bell i don't know why that

3487
02:16:04,550 --> 02:15:59,920
is

3488
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:04,560
strange strange creature so

3489
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:06,320
um i apologize for that because people

3490
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:07,840
tell me all the time i i never get

3491
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:11,760
noticed notices well i i am doing what

3492
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:13,119
i'm supposed to be doing i don't know

3493
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:15,280
what's going on or why people don't get

3494
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:16,960
notices some things are beyond my

3495
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:19,119
control so we just have to the best

3496
02:16:23,189 --> 02:16:21,040
thing that you could do is

3497
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:23,199
follow me on twitter at stevencambian

3498
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,679
every single show is posted a few hours

3499
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:28,159
before we do it i'm trying to get better

3500
02:16:31,510 --> 02:16:29,840
at that maybe i'll start posting them

3501
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:31,520
the day before the show happens so

3502
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:33,679
everybody knows but a good rule of thumb

3503
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,559
is 7 p.m eastern standard time

3504
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:38,080
monday through friday but some days

3505
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:41,599
we're just skipping so we may skip a day

3506
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:43,760
you know i thought a lot about things

3507
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:44,719
and uh

3508
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,719
you know some weeks it's really easy to

3509
02:16:50,950 --> 02:16:48,719
bang out five live shows and then some

3510
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:50,960
weeks you got three good shows and now

3511
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:52,639
you're gonna need two filler shows to

3512
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:54,800
round out the week and i don't like the

3513
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:56,160
filler shows

3514
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:57,840
you know we do our very best with every

3515
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:59,280
show but some of them just seem like

3516
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:00,559
well

3517
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:04,800
yeah you know i'd rather do less

3518
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:05,679
shows

3519
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:08,559
of higher quality so we may be you know

3520
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:11,920
tweaking things and only doing um

3521
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:13,200
you know like

3522
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:15,120
three shows a week three live shows a

3523
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:17,599
week because the other issue is that i

3524
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:19,679
want time a little bit more time for

3525
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:21,280
production videos and it always seems

3526
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:23,280
like that stuff never gets done because

3527
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:25,760
i'm so busy doing the live show

3528
02:17:31,349 --> 02:17:29,120
um we have some production videos

3529
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:31,359
in queue that i have to edit and

3530
02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:33,040
research and do some things and do

3531
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:35,439
graphics and whatever for so it just

3532
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:36,960
seems like i never get to those things

3533
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:39,599
so we're trying to uh tweak things to

3534
02:17:43,509 --> 02:17:41,040
get

3535
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:43,519
you know to the sweet spot here

3536
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:45,040
so what can i say friends i'm always

3537
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:46,559
happy when there's an audience i can't

3538
02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:48,719
tell you how happy i am that you were in

3539
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:50,880
mine tonight i got to get to one of the

3540
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:53,040
world's experts on a phenomenon that i

3541
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:54,639
have been interested in since i was a

3542
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:55,599
child

3543
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:57,200
and that would of course be the

3544
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:59,760
mysterious mothman and i got to take you

3545
02:18:04,309 --> 02:18:01,760
all with me that's the best part about

3546
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:04,319
this it's a journey for me that i get to

3547
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:06,479
share with the rest of you and i'm so

3548
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:08,479
pleased that i get to do that

3549
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:10,160
uh always happy when there's an audience

3550
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:11,840
like i said tonight we had great numbers

3551
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:13,519
i want to thank our amazing guest lon

3552
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:14,960
strickler we're going to definitely have

3553
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:17,760
him back interesting guy who has been

3554
02:18:22,469 --> 02:18:20,000
researching cryptid creatures phantoms

3555
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:22,479
monsters and demons and aliens for 40

3556
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:23,679
years now

3557
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:25,439
i'm sure that there's a lot of knowledge

3558
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,599
there and we would all benefit from him

3559
02:18:31,349 --> 02:18:29,519
sharing more here so

3560
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:31,359
we're going to reach out to him and see

3561
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:34,160
if he won't be a return guest soon

3562
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:35,280
so

3563
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:36,639
i'm going to bounce on out of here join

3564
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:39,040
me at 10 p.m for the midnight hour show

3565
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:42,000
the appetite for disclosure until next

3566
02:18:49,180 --> 02:18:44,160
time friends my name is stephen campion

3567
02:18:49,190 --> 02:19:40,709
[Music]

3568
02:20:08,070 --> 02:19:42,520
so

3569
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:08,080
[Music]

3570
02:20:47,380 --> 02:20:09,530
so